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Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

And it still cannot edit webps?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (12 children)

Oh no. Kurzgesagt just published a full-on TREACLES piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa8k8IQ1_X0

These are the sources they cited: https://sites.google.com/view/sources-superintelligence/

Open Philanthropy is a sponsor of kurzgesagt. The foundation is supporting academic work across the field of Artificial Intelligence, and some of the sources used to create this script (from OpenAI, Future of Humanity Institute, Machine Intelligence Research Institute, Future of Life Institute and Epoch AI) also receive financial support from Open Philanthropy.

Open Philanthropy had no influence on the content and messages of this video.

I'm sure!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

just about a month since we had the LLM security thread, and now there's some more hilaribad coming out at blackhat

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

wow, remember when a bunch of random posters came to that security thread to try and gaslight us into thinking the very similar attack described in @[email protected]’s blog post wasn’t a security vulnerability? and now it’s a Black Hat talk, aka “you fucked up and now the world knows about it”

"It's kind of funny in a way - if you have a bot that's useful, then it's vulnerable. If it's not vulnerable, it's not useful," Bargury said.

holy fuck that’s damning. LLMs are so worthless on their own that they can’t do anything unless you’ve got everything hooked up to RAG, which is just a wide-open API with access to all your data.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

rootkits as a service

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

what if we simply took the output of the easily manipulated word salad generator and parsed it into instructions for the computers that are in charge of all our communication to follow

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

went and peeked at the ezra klein podcast on the off chance he's gotten into anything interesting

There's something of a paradox that has defined my experience with artificial intelligence in this particular moment. It's clear we're witnessing the advent of a wildly powerful technology, one that could transform the economy and the way we think about art and creativity and the value of human work itself. At the same time, can't for the life of me figure out how to use it in my own day-to-day job.So wanted to understand what I'm missing and get some tips for how could incorporate A.Il. better into my life right now. And Ethan Mollick is the perfect guide: He's a professor at the Wharton School

lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I rewrote it for accuracy:

There's something of a paradox that has defined my experience with artificial intelligence in this particular moment. It's clear we're witnessing the advent of a wilfully stupid fart machine, one that could transform the atmosphere into farts and the way we think about farts and creating farts and the value of human farts itself. At the same time, I can't for the life of me figure out why I'd want to sit in a room filled with my own farts.

So I wanted to understand what I'm missing and get some tips for how I could incorporate farts better into my life right now. And Eating Mollusks is the perfect guide: He's a pro-fartor at the Fartin' School at the University of Farts

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

the nuanced take nobody wants to hear: farts are a tool, and like any tool they can be used for good or bad. that's what progress is. we can't let the possibility of a few bad uses of farts overshadow how farts can unleash the futures of truly creative individuals, businesses and societies.

to address another common point: yes, there are kinks to be worked out. sometimes farted information can be wrong. farted music doesn't always come out with the clarity we want. farted art is sometimes missing details. but farts are already revolutionizing and democratizing the arts, science, and even the concept of human interaction. we can't lose sight of the great potential of farting - just like the early days of the internet, we don't know what amazing things we'll end up with because of it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Δ Thanks, this really changed my perspective on farts

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

To be fair, it's hard to really internalize that all these rich and powerful techbros are actually morons after all these years of journalists like Ezra Klein breathlessly reporting their weird ideas and baseless claims about what they were going to be able to do in the next couple of years.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

it happened

I popped out somewhere to have a drink, and got have someone tell me about their “edutech” startup that “uses AI”

they very definitely overpromise (not gonna rinse their bullshit), and topped it off with “and then we use a LLM for suggesting improvements”

(I ejected from the conversation but I can still hear it; it’s progressed to “talking about property” in the terms of mediocre early-20s white kids talking leveraging daddy and uncle’s assets)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Congrats on your stoic non-reaction and ejection. You are now provably better than the whole alpha-maleosphere.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Sometimes I feel blessed to be beneath this all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

my local community radio station is getting in on the act with a quality sneer in their annual magazine:

What if the Silicon Valley creeps who control huge swathes of our existence decided that they didn't want this to be their legacy? Well, one solution would be to guarantee the survival of the species by uploading our brains into computers and rocketing them into space. If a few people cark it in the climate catastrophe, it'll be fine as long as there's a big cyber noggin down the track... just google TESCREAL. We didn't make this up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Walks into the room, hits the top of the doorframe, making sounds like a gallon of water being sloshed around

You called?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (7 children)

hmm this got me scrolling through his TL. I didn't know or forgot that shen is actually a really good poster, shame I didn't follow him while I was on twitter

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Ideological Turing test"?

Not gonna look up what that is, but I'm sure it's debatebro "civility" fetishism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It is the not totally bad idea that you understand a different perspective if you can reliably write pieces of text in such a way that somebody from that perspective cannot tell you don't hold that ideological position.

It fails pretty quickly when tribalism comes into play (aka do it a few times, conclude 'our side is better at passing this test, so we are better', ideologies being broad and people not always realizing which ideology they really are in/differences in definitions. And other issues like it is just a bit of intellectual masturbation, depending on finding neutral people of that perspective. 'you failed the intellectual turing test so we can ignore your criticism of our side'. 'You would fail an intellectual turing test so we can ignore you'. It being debate bro culture with extra steps. People are not actually interested in the test but use the test as an argument to bash people (you once failed at detecting sarcasm and misattributed a sarcastic joke from a leftwinger to the far right? This shows the entire left fails the intellectual turing test and should not be listened to). etc etc. /rant

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Woo, complaining about a community note is big Karen energy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I made the mistake of reading the comments on that substack and I'm beginning to actually feel the raw desperation of these sycophants for someone of "note" to notice them.

Innumeracy is the opioid of the masses.

This is the genius-level discourse that Bryan Caplan foments in his marketplace of ideas.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Is he ever going to specify which booster? If he refused Tdap he is a menace to society not because of risk of tetanus but spreading pertussis to the vulnerable.

Still, anyone that took him seriously before this should be embarrassed.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

dude got fucking ratioed lol

My flight instructor talked to me like a child when I refused a parachute. Death from skydiving only causes a handful of deaths per year!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, for the doctor it's pretty hard to tell a dude who is "GMU econ prof, NYT bestseller, father of 4, author of Myth of the Rational Voter, Selfish Reasons to Have More Kids, Case Against Education, Open Borders, & BBB" apart from any other entitled white guy whose read too much Facebook.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Practically is there much difference?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Summary of the recent cloudstrike report: 🧵https://infosec.exchange/@munin/112916974811882522

Munin wonders if the weird writing style of the report might be because cloudstrike used an LLM to generate a summary of several source documents, which would be funny-yet-depressing if true.

The actual causes of the incident probably won’t suprise anyone… “didn’t bounds-check, didn’t test parser on bad data, didn’t stage rollouts” in order of should-have-done-this-first-ness.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Minor, but it's CrowdStrike not cloudstrike

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

People are so trained to shout at Cloudflare for protecting the neo-nazi sites that this is every understandable.

Image descriptionSimpsons cartoon, Marge shouts 'Cloudflare, no!' to her left. Bart, with the Cloudflare logo on his head walks in from the right, 'What?'. Marge apologizes to Bart, 'Sorry force of habit'. Marge shouts 'Crowdstrike, no!'.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

while that's also a problem, doesn't really seem that's what happened here

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have seen a lot of people call it cloudstrike and not a lot of other variants, so I assumed it was due to crowdstrike and cloudflare being so similar.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

fair ‘nuff :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I think ClownStrike is the name they deserve

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Completely agree, that's why I nit, since "CloudStrike" sounds like an actual name for an actual product and I will not have that stand!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

AWS probably has pre-filled patent documents ready for CloudStrike, just waiting on some acquihire or popular open source thing they can product-leech

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's a really weird name for a product. A crowd strike sounds like a terrorist tactic, not something that brings "security" to mind.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

there’s a whole strain of extreme terribleness in the wider infosec industry ito naming and references, it’s so goddamn bad

the most recently visible form of this is post-heartbleed how lots of researchers/groups now fall over themselves to give vuln publications Branding (logo, catchy name, etc), but also all kinds of other things that they constantly mix some terminology soup up

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Tom Clancy’s CrowdStrike sounds like the kind of military fiction I’d accidentally buy from the thrift store

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Oops, I’ve been trying to avoid calling it “clownstrike”, and didn’t quite manage to fix that initial syllable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have seen three separate instances of start-ups with "AI" in their name that proudly display a tagline along the lines of "BUILDING THE NEXT UNICORN" and jesus fuck almighty I swear I will fucking piledrive the next recruiter that tries that on me

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

pitch: magical flying unicorn pony that ejaculates rainbows
product: retired seaside donkey with a cornetto on its head and we fed it food colouring and laxatives

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

the donkey is dead but we prop it up with dollar stacks

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