I personally love my Framework 13. Not sure if the battery life is up to your standard, but the new models are plenty enough for me.
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Get a Librebooted Thinkpad T440p or similar and then upgrade it (SSD, 16gb ram, etc).
Or a normal booted ThinkPad if you don't really care about that (I personally don't) it will be able to run Linux regardless.
Yeah but if a laptop is old enough to support Libreboot that means it was released before Lenovo messed it up
How did they mess up?
Also isn't a laptop from 2014 (?) kinda pushing it when it comes to laptops?
I can't be much more expensive to get a laptop that's much better in pretty much every way.
Unrelated but I really wish modern ThinkPads had a think light.
I'm pretty sure the T440p is the newest one and it's 2013. They messed up in the sense that modern Thinkpads are starting to solder components and overall the build quality is worse.
Maybe the build quality is a bit worse but it's not bad. My x280 is doing great and I would absolutely not replace it with an older machine (even if that machine had a think light)
And I much rather have soldered components from 2018 (or something) than non soldered from a decade ago
But sure, there is nothing wrong with running old machines yourself. I just wouldn't recommend it to people that ask for a laptop unless they specifically request it.
Repairability and upgradability are incredibly important factors, when my computer breaks why should I need to buy a new one? Heck why should it break at all, old computers were built to last.
I agree. I have even replaced the screen on my x280 to a IPS screen (because the old one was a crap TN screen) and the storage.
I wish newer machines were more repairable and I would buy a framework if I could afford it and if they had more ports. Fortunately most machines don't break that often and very rarely is it in a part that couldn't be replaced by a skilled technician (excluding some shitty products like Apple computers). Most business tier laptops like Lenovo ThinkPads and Dell Latitudes (5xxx and 7xxxx series at least) are fairly repairable and durable.
Upgradability is also great but doesn't make a lot of sense to worry about when the machine is a decade old and still crap performance wise even if you gave it a few more GBs of RAM. You can't really upgrade anything beyond storage and ram in any laptops unfortunately.
I wouldn't consider a decade old computer no matter how repairable, durable, or how upgradable it is unless I worked exclusively in a TTY or some shit and I believe most feel the same way.
You do you, but I still don't think it's a good suggestion for someone that just needs a computer. Especially when they want good battery life and compactness. Neither of which computers that old are good at.
Refurbished ThinkPad. The answer is always a refurbished ThinkPad
I've been thinking about this for a while, what's a good place to buy them, ebay? I'd be using it mainly for web browsing and playing sames through moonlight
I'm not sure, I got my current one through our tech guy at work, not sure where he gets them
If I had to replace my Linux laptop right now, I'd probably go for a ThinkPad T14 AMD. They also sell them with Snapdragon ARM chips now, which is a very interesting option, though I'm not sure how viable as a daily driver.
You could run Linux on it with no issue ofc, but I wonder how good the support for ARM arch from common Linux software is nowadays...
If there's a decent (even online) used market where you live buying a refurbished computer that's just a few years old can be amazing bang for your buck. 9th-11th gen Intel or Ryzen 2-4th gen. Any of the more business focused lines tend to be fairly well-built and are designed to be relatively long lasting while being relatively well-maintained during their service life. HP Elitebooks, Dell Latitudes, Lenovo Thinkpads, etc.
Get an Apple, thinkpad or dell.
The main thing that determines if a computer can be repaired is parts availability. Those three have great parts availability almost universally.
If you wanna run macOS you need a Mac. The t480 is a good recommendation for thinkpads, but don’t worry about ssds or ram yet, just get the one with the processor and display you want (it’s the midrange 8th gen ones). I don’t know the dell world enough to make a recommendation but someone will do so.
Use the gentoo and arch wikis to check what problems people have out of the box with whatever model you’re looking at.
People will say you need amd. This is either paranoid or based on recent events. Neither apply to you.
People will say to get a framework or some equivalent. They’re expensive and a moral/ethical statement. This doesn’t apply to you.
Go team red would be my advice.
Old Intel systems are solid as well. Something 2022 or older
My mantra with Linux hardware is "as normal as possible."
I make sure it doesn't have certain brands of Wi-Fi card in them :/ miserable times with broadcom leave me wary
I would get a Thinkpad, either used or new, with that budget. Generally all the hardware will work out of the box, with the possible exception of the fingerprint reader if it exists. RAM and SSD should be replaceable, so if you purchase new just do the upgrade yourself to save some bucks.
System76 or Framework
Buy a laptop from a vendor that preinatalls Linux. Not because you need them to do that for you, but because it means its more likely to work on Linux without issues.
I run Qubes, but I think this is a great list of Qubes-certified hardware
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/certified-hardware/#qubes-certified-computers
I've had a lot of thinkpads and currently use an ideapad flex 5. I prefer the smaller form factor for a portable machine I take travelling or out to biz meetings etc. The autorotate and touchscreen work great in Debian with gnome-shell out of the box. No pinch-to-zoom but I believe that works on KDE plasma out of the box.
I will be using this computer mainly to write documents, make the occasional presentations, browse the web, and watch videos and movies. So no photo- or video editing nor gaming at all.
Then go for a Raspberry pi 3. (No, not rpi 4 or the rpi 5 one). It's cheap, with a power draw low enough to leave it running 24/7 (it will not increase your energy bills by the slightest). Downside is that you'll have to learn some Linux "tricks" that will (definitely) "grind your gears", but eh.... it'll be a fun ride if you are willing to lose some sanity for the sake of enjoying a "It's like nothing is happening to my power bills at all!" power of the convenience it'll bring to your life and your lifestyle as well.
That's not a laptop and even if it was the raspberry pi won't work with stock Linux. You need a custom kernel.
That’s not a laptop
OP mentioned a computer, not a laptop.
You need a custom kernel.
That is completely wrong -- there are a couple distros out there that work "out of the box" without the need of a custom kernel. Not just for the rpi, but for many other "obscure" pcs, including a thermostat.
I think its reasonable to assume that they'll want to easily be able to take it and use it in different rooms
Rpis can be as mobile as (or even more than) a laptop.
To have one ready out of the box with linux maybe look at the System76 offerings? https://system76.com/
Edit: just got a chance to check and they are slightly above your $1000 criteria. So maybe on his recommendation.
Ummm, good luck. When I tried to use Linux on a new machine I built and had a bunch of problems, people on the forums told me to wait six months for someone to write drivers for the components.
I built an amd system with Nvidia graphics card in 2019 and it works fine. Wi-Fi Bluetooth Ethernet 144hz display etc all work fine.
LOL. Got totally down voted for simply explaining what happened. Glad it worked for you. It didn't work for me. This was probably 10 years ago. I made a dual boot system and the internet simply wouldn't work in Linux, so I had to keep booting into Windows, research, then switch to Linux to implement. Lather, rinse, repeat.
If Windows 11 is as bad as they say, guess I'll be experimenting with it again.
I remember these dark times... It got a bit easier when smartphones were more prevalent.
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