Let's see if this sticks... nothing else has really been able to stall recent Russian advances.
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Until I start seeing combat footage, I'm assuming they still aren't in theatre.
There was a photo of an F-16 above Lviv yesterday
Progress :)
I hope we give them as many as they need to beat back Russia. And any other weapons they need. Fuck russia.
Anyone more informed than me have a read on the possible impact that could have on the war? I imagine at the very least they will be getting pilots back who were training for this plus extra jets than they already have which by itself would be quite helpful. Beyond that does this represent a significant step change in the capabilities of the Ukrainian airforce? I'm guessing and hoping yes based on all the anticipation around this but I know nothing about this stuff.
EDIT: Thanks for the replies below. I also saw another interesting analysis that pointed out that Ukraine can now use a much larger stockpile of standard NATO munitions that the F-16 is compatible with. Seems like an absolutely huge deal.
My impression is that they'll be important in pushing Russian jets further back from the front line, which is crucial in stopping the glide bombs, which have been all too effective.
In addition, while Ukraine already has HARMs, my understanding is that using them from an F16 gives some capabilities that make them much more dangerous to Russian air defence.
It enables the use of NATO munitions, or which there's a lot of possible sources. Ukraine's previous platform was Soviet.
Generally in terms of numbers, if they get all the f-16s that were promised, they will be back to something around the size of the Air Force they had when they started the war. It will still be much smaller than Russia's, but it will be a big improvement over where they are now.
As for additional capabilies, these are the main ones:
- Used with the correct munitions, they will have a longer range for air to air and air to ground strikes, meaning they have a good chance to hit enemy aircraft without the enemy aircraft being able to hit them. This can help make a big dent against the glidebombs which Russia is currently using to great effect.
- The new types of missles will allow "fire and forget" capability meaning that they can quickly get out of harm's way once they shoot their munitions
- New types of missles like HARM missles will allow them to more easily take out enemy air defenses.
But it's also worth considering that learning to use a new fighter jet even in the most basic way takes a year. To get really good in one takes many years. So it will probably take some time still before they really get proficient with this new capability.
Here's what I think I'm remembering right from a video I saw a couple months ago:
Ukraine currently has a fleet of aging MiGs which they've improvised ways of using some NATO munitions on. One of which is the HARM anti-radiation (anti-radar, basically) missile. Again if I understand this right, when used on their MiGs the HARM missile can only be used in one or two of several modes it has, where an all NATO F-16 can use all modes of the missile.
Also, they have more total jets now, so they've got that going for them, which is nice.
One of the main things it does is actually prevent them losing a capability rather than granting them a new one. It can replace a lot of the Russian- or Soviet-built planes that Ukraine started the war with and obviously can't easily replace now. That's not particularly exciting and doesn't change the course of things, but it does prevent the course changing in a bad way
Months?
Pretty sure it's been 2+ years since they asked. Wonder if they even got AMRAAMs with em, otherwise they're gonna be useless for air to air.
AIM 120 and AIM 9X
24 months is still months....
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