Fuck off, Logitech
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I guess I'm not surprised enshittification of physical objects is becoming more of a trend than an oddity, but it's still happening sooner than I expected. :/
Have you used a TV in the past 10 years?
Not one that required a subscription to operate, but I've heard those are out there too.
Both my mouse and keyboard are logitech and I love them, despite how terrible their software is in both stability and usability. The only reason I put up with the terrible software is because I only had to interact with it the one time to set up my color scheme and mouse dpi. Just trying to get the software to install to do that was terrible and that's what they want people to subscribe for, sounds dead on arrival to me.
Logitech already builds mice that will last a lifetime. This is just them deciding that they should get paid every month for that.
If you want to get rid of their software, for the RGB part you can use OpenRGB instead. It runs on both Linux and Windows and can do pretty much any RGB controller (RAM, GPU, mainboard, mouse, keyboard, ...).
For changing DPI I use Piper but I don't think that one is available on Windows.
They both sound pretty good options. I looked real quick but didn't see an answer but do either of them allow you to save to the onboard memory of Logitech devices or does it only work with them running in the background?
Yes, they both save to the device on my mouse.
I have a (mostly) forever mouse already. It has high quality Omron switches rated for millions of clicks, an Aliexpress page bookmarked as well as a soldering iron for when they need replacing. Anything that is "forever" only needs good quality components and the ability to repair whatever may go wrong. Any company that claims to sell something that either will not break or wear out is one to avoid. A good example I can think of is BMW who no longer put drain plugs on their transmissions for fluid replacement, their reasoning: "The fluid is for lifetime usage." while the small print states the "lifetime" is roughly 120k miles. Similar story with their "lifetime" timing chains too, except those weren't even lasting the small print mileage. Didn't stop them trying to sell customers the whole replacement engine too.
Source: God, don't make me replace another BMW transmission. I'm tired.
What mouse if you don't mind sharing?
My Logitech G602 technically has high quality Omron switches but only on left/right click, the middle click and the rest use crappy little tactile switches that last about 6 months before I need to replace them.
I've got a G502 Hero. I'd heard lots of complaints about the line after buying it but I haven't had any issues despite having it for a good few years now. I also had a M305 for something like a decade. A very simple little thing but lasted a long time. I replaced the switches for higher grade switches than factory and only replaced it because the rocker mounting for the mouse wheel tilt snapped, which I'm pretty certain was caused by a house move than any lack of quality.
You can get rugged or smooth.
Lots of expensive brands prioritize smooth because their buyers will buy often and not care about resale or cost of new.
A Toyota Hilux and a Range Rover aren't really made with the same priorities, even though both could go offroading.
Someone that buys a brand new off the lot beamer likely isn't planning to still own it 120,000 miles later. Probably not even three years later.
Doesn't mean we should open a revolving door to the scrap heap. Also this perception of pick one is extremely false. It's more than possible to have a perfectly smooth transmission than can be maintained. Fill and drain plugs don't effect any of the internals so it's little more than self-sabotage (see: planned obsolence) to make it impossible to perform basic maintenance. Besides, no trans is going to remain smooth if the fluid isn't replaced frequently.
If we were only talking about a transmission sure
I don't how anyone would think that's what I meant. But here you are.
I think the problem might stem from the fact you specifically responded to my example of a transmission. You see, the subtle nuance of an example like I made is that it's still transferable.
What you may have missed in my spiel about an industry leader going out of their way to enshittify their products, effectively creating scrap-ready vehicles, no matter the price tag category, is maintenance is a crucial requirement in helping the longevity of a product, thus meaning less products going to the scrap heap (or landfill, if we're honest). I'm using cars as an example because it happens to be one of my areas of expertise that happens to be an every-day item for a large quantity of people. However, the example is just as applicable to inkjet printers that clog up, rendering them useless, mobile phones that have limited lifespans thanks to non-replaceable batteries (as well as plenty other components), laptops with similar problems, and pretty much every form of manufactured e-waste you could ever think of. There's no good reason any product shouldn't be repairable or have some means of making it last as long as physically possible before it simply doesn't make sense to do so anymore and it just so happens the automotive market serves as a terrific example of a multitude of little ways manufacturers have been slowly cutting away at reparability to the point that even a trained mechanic can't repair something without some insanely expensive equipment or still needing to resort to needing to take the vehicle to a dealer to have a certain component flashed to the car before it can be used. So no, we're not only talking about a transmission but you have fun with that thought while the rest of us have a real conversation that uses anecdotes and stand-ins to discuss a terrifyingly huge problem this world is facing.
A good mouse already lasts practically forever. I have been using the same MS Trackball Optical since 2002, original switches, new bearings after 15 years. As long as it directly translates XY motion and clicks in real space to XY motion and clicks in screen space the device is feature complete, no more value can be added via subscription service.
Logitech has been on the decline for a while LGS was awesome replaced with the far inferior GHub. Now they're doing it with the physical hardware? Fuck y'all
I have a Logitech mouse and keyboard. I don't use their software even though it's free. Other than the shitty switches, it's a good mouse. Actually, the wireless connection isn't great compared to the G7 (I thought I was getting frame stutters at first until I realized it went away if I plugged my mouse in). And the battery not being easily removable is dangerous, as mine was swelling when I opened it up to replace one of those shitty switches a few weeks ago.
But if they do try it, they'll probably be quickly dethroned since mice and keyboards aren't exactly difficult to make and even today the wear and tear is because they wanted to save a buck or two on switches (or were tricked into thinking crappy switches were good ones).
GHub is a terrible piece of software, ugh.
I know, it's even worse when ya compare it to their previous software. They didn't just take a step backwards, I swear they went, how can we make the same software but make it worse in EVERY conceivable way. Then they did just that
Great, Logitech wants to release Mouse as a Service (MaaS) now we also need Keyboard as a Service (KaaS), right? /s
Yeah, I can see more of this happening as demand for quality products increases.
Things that don’t need replaced don’t bring in more money year over year, which means they have to keep coming up with other excuses for you to buy a new one just to stay above water.
Any time purchases reach critical mass and mostly everyone has bought the “last gizmo you’ll ever need”, they’ll have to release the last-last gizmo you’ll ever need.
One-time purchase forever mouse would just mean once sales drop they need to release the forever-ever mouse, now with an extra button, then when that one peaks, the forever-and-ever mouse, with one more button than that.
Or they’ll hit a ceiling and go the way of Instant Pot.
It feels like a choice between rental(this) or rental with extra e-waste(any time you replace a cheaply made or planned obsolescence product) and it sucks.
I haven't see any logi mouse which woudn't break after a year, quality is gone for 5+ years now for that brand. I'm more than happy with a noname Hama brand mouse costs half, lifetime 10x :D
I've had a couple of g pros that each lasted about 3 years.
Sure as hell wouldn't pay a monthly subscription for them, though.
I've probably used a few for closer to a decade. Especially the three button ones in the 90's (in Sgi granite) were nice.
Actually there's an optical wheel mouse of some sort right here on my desk that I think I got used with a computer in maybe 2012. Model stickers have fallen off, the plastic is worn down and even the metal plate at the top looks as if it had been sanded down. It says Logitech, though.
But those naturally aren't current models.
What's the point of a mouse that lasts forever if your purchase doesn't?
Quarterly profits, of course.
You could almost call it... a mouse trap
(I'll show myself out...)
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