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Michael Orlitzky was not having a good day with his laundry. First CSC Serviceworks, a laundry management company, replaced all of the machines in his building with new coin-op or app-powered ones. The card reading machines had been an issue for years because the cards would stop working and the recharge machine would steal dollar bills, Orlitzky said. Now he had another enemy with its own quirks to get used to. Plus, CSC had replaced the machines about a week ahead of schedule, meaning that any cash on his or others’ laundry cards was now worthless and unusable.

Then, one of the new machines ate his quarters. The first machine was stuck on the cold setting, and he had to pay another $2 and move all of his belongings to another machine. He called CSC customer service and was on hold for an hour. CSC eventually told him to get a refund through the company’s website, which in turn insisted he install CSC’s app to proceed.

“That was the day I decided laundry would be free,” Orlitzky told 404 Media in an email.

Orlitzky then discovered multiple bypasses to CSC machines that allow him to wash his clothes for free. Since then, he’s been pretty quiet about the whole thing. Orlitzky published a brief write-up of his escapades on his personal website last year, but hasn’t shared it on social media. Some people in his building know his secret, but that’s about it. That is, until now, with Orlitzky due to speak at the DEF CON hacker conference in August about how he found infinite money cheats for CSC laundry machines. The talk is called “Laundering Money.”

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 months ago

This quote is hilarious.

CSC probably has a record of someone opening up the machine. “My personal stance on that is suck my diiiiiiiick, but feel free to perform your own risk assessment,” Orlitzky writes.

[–] [email protected] 98 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

CSC eventually told him to get a refund through the company’s website, which in turn insisted he install CSC’s app to proceed.

That should be illegal. I already refuse to install most apps, and I certainly won't install one for absolute basic customer support purposes.

Lol, like, I hit a deer a few years ago. Insurance wanted me to download their app, walk around my car and take pictures, and they'd send me a check the next day. Nope. I made them send an adjustor. I'm that dedicated to not installing apps. 😆

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Download our app!"

"Oh, I don't have a smartphone."

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Lol there's rental companies here FORCING you to download their app to pay your rent. Can't even give em cash or a check...has to be done through their app.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Hmm. They can't evict you by app, can they?

Somebody should make this hurt for them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Double dipping right there. Make money on rent AND selling renter's data. Capitalism at it's best. :/

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago (3 children)

give me an app that doesn’t touch any other part of my phone and doesn’t require signing some 300 pages of terms of service where i agree to be a human centipede… then maybe

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (4 children)

300 pages of terms of service where i agree to be a human centipede

Oh my god, that's exactly what it's like. I'm borrowing that one.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

and doesn't mine bitcoin in background, or isn't so terribly written it seems it does that even if it doesn't.

that being said, is there anything that prevents michael to have his own washing machine in his own apartment? is there some strange american rule that forbids that?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lots of places forbide it, on the off chance it floods the unit. There's also the thing (when renting an older unit) where water usage is included in the rent ... and they don't want you using more than they allot in their assessments.

Can't have anyone dipping into their profits.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

well aside from it taking up a lot of space and making a lot of noise, there’s a water and gas line hookup that probably requires permission….
but they do make really small ones that can only do a couple garments at a time.
usually marketed for long haul truck drivers….

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Right?

I offered to take photos at the angles they wanted and email them to my agent, but they said it had to go through the app. I'm pretty sure the adjustor that came out used the same app, but hey, that's his (work?) phone, not mine. Nor is it my personal info I'm signing away the rights to by clicking "agree".

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