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I like that on Lemmy you can route around fragile dimwits who are scared of facts. On reddit it is fragile dimwits all the way to the top.
I only got a week from lemmy.world (in particular politics I think). Imagine a Lemmy instance more triggered than that Liberal bastion. oh, wait, you don't have to imagine.
Hes a commie, what did you expect? Theyre either ignorant of communism, or just not good people.
Theyre either ignorant of communism
Said without a hint of irony.
Nah, communists care about people at the very least. Tankies are just eastern profiteers mad at America for enriching itself first.
I was going to argue at first but that is another proper way of defining tankies. Please carry on! 😜
I've abandoned the basic tenants of Occam's razor while dealing with tankies.
If my opponent can shulk the weight of reason, there is no reason I should hold myself to a higher standard.
I always figured lemmy would be better, and then get even better. It gets less better.
Until. It's the same.
Different. But the same
lmao, imagine bothering to ban someone from unrelated communities because you were mad at a comment they made.
Oh yeah, I got banned from a dozen communities I’d never even been to
In fairness, that comment is one hell of a roast. You either gotta ban them from everything, or reevaluate what you're doing; it just happened that they went with option A in this case.
Sure but they react to facts, mild criticism, and massive burns all with the same fragility and banning from multiple communities.
Surely it is a mark of the solid correctness of all of their views.
Just like Russia is the world’s most awesome military and economic juggernaut and it’s super not fair for anyone to be allowed to attack inside their borders because that is cheating.
My bro, these are tankies..
Self reflection is their kryptonite.
“Are we the violent imperialists? No, it’s the maternity hospital that is wrong.”
That children's rec-center was ACTUALLY the center of IDF intelligence, we swear we had to IED all the busses.
I was banned from a ton of lemmy.ml communities for calling someone a tankie (I think).
A few comminuties are ridiculous, but most are fine.
They probably got banned from the whole instance. I think it shows up as being banned from each community
It's separate. If you just get banned from the instance you can still comment and vote on the instance and other instances can potentially still see it depending on the exact federation graph. But for whatever reason community bans federate differently and participation gets blocked at the home instance. Because of this, .ml runs a special tool to do these "super bans." I have gotten just the instance ban a few times but I think this is my first super ban.
I got banned from /c/privacy some months ago for implying that maybe Russia isn't the most pro-privacy country in the world... Well, that was the reasoning they gave, and they took at as anti-Russian or something. But the real reason is that I roasted them for being way too interested in someone else's business (in this case GrapheneOS main dev) and spreading FUD. They threatened me with a ban, so I responded with an even better thought-out response and challenged them to do it.
The temp ban has passed, so it's possible my posts have been restored (big doubt), but I decided to just bail on pretty much all lemmy.ml communities. It's a massive echo chamber at this point and there's really no value in going there for me anymore. I think I'm subbed to one or two, but that's about it.
BTW, I didn't realize Dessalines was from Haiti. I have no issues with him (I've contributed some patches to Lemmy and interacted with him), but I very much disagree with his politics.
He's not from Haiti. Dessalines was a Haitian revolutionary who killed all the plantation owners on the island (and their families) and then was killed by the slaves he freed because they all ran out of food because nobody would trade with them anymore. I just think it's incredibly cringe that he would appropriate the moniker of an actual freedom fighter who faced an actual struggle, but who was also complete shit being a leader. It kind of sums up the edgy ignorance perfectly.
Wow...
This is not a special tool. As far as I've seen, this is how lemmy 0.19.5 works now.
Interesting. Is .ml the only one running 19.5? Because I don't really see that pattern from any other instance in the mod logs, though I'm not really watching that closely.
We're running it as well, I've seen it on our end as well iirc
Ah ok I appreciate the information. Seems like kind of a shit way to handle federating bans.
Just out of curiosity, does that mean your instance could choose to not enforce bans from other instances or am I misunderstanding how ban federation works? Before it seemed like the home instance would accept votes and comments and they would be rejected by the remote instance, but had a chance to successfully federate with third instances. Now it seems as if the home instance is doing that enforcement directly. Is that correct?
No the site ban still worked. This ban per community is mostly to be able to remove their content when banned as it otherwise doesn't trigger.
On several occasions I have held conversations with third instance users on .ml threads while I was site banned from .ml. I am trying to drill down into the technical changes whereby bans now actually "reject" comments and votes, seemingly from the home instance, compared to the previous behavior
Thanks for giving more details, I had no idea. Anyways congrats, I'll pour one out for you
I was a bit euphoric here because I mistakenly thought it was a .world thread and I was hoping to get some data on downvote bots and or database manipulation coming from Dessalines. Oh well. The impotent rage is still worth it.