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The Israeli military says it has discovered tunnels underneath the main headquarters of the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees in Gaza City, alleging that Hamas militants used the space as an electrical supply room.

The unveiling of the tunnels marked the latest chapter in Israel’s campaign against the embattled agency, which it accuses of collaborating with Hamas.

Recent Israeli allegations that a dozen staff members participated in the Hamas attack on Israel Oct. 7 plunged the agency into a financial crisis, prompting major donor states to suspend their funding as well as twin investigations. The agency says that Israel has also frozen its bank account, embargoed aid shipments and canceled its tax benefits.

The army invited journalists to view the tunnel on Thursday.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

1 week later we find out that Israel dug those tunnels 20 years ago

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Even AP makes the "evidence" sound weak:

It did not prove definitively that Hamas militants operated in the tunnels underneath the UNRWA facility, but it did show that at least a portion of the tunnel ran underneath the facility’s courtyard. The military claimed that the headquarters supplied the tunnels with electricity. ...

Lazzarini said the agency has not revisited the headquarters since staff evacuated Oct. 12, and is unaware of how the facility may have been used.

This kind of thing doesn't really justify shutting down an aid agency, let alone killing 30,000 civilians.

In fact, it's odd that Israel's army and politicians don't see that when they come out with evidence this weak, it actually undermines their case for violence. Before, we might wonder whether they know something we don't that supports their bombardment of Gaza. After seeing this "evidence", the best they could muster, we know they have no justification for it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I am not seeing any evidence. Sad that AP is manufacturing consent for Genocide.

A reminder that the IDF straight up lied to CNN that they walked through a tunnel underneath a graveyard. Later on it was proven that the tunnel did not go underneath the graveyard.

https://youtu.be/34CxzZtVxnE?t=3m18s

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

When I was scrolling down I saw the title first before seeing the forum and immediatelly thought - I kid you not - that "This must be The Onion".

One has to be incredibly naive (or a pro-Israel racist) to believes in all these "amazing coincidences" one after the other of Israel suddenly "discovering" (whilst providing zero evidence) all manner of bad things about the Humanitarian agency that's keeping Palestinians from starving to death and thus impeding a "final solution" for the "Palestinian problem" (both quotes are from Israeli officials)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Also: why are we demonizing tunnels?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Holy shit. I knew they were genocidal as fuck, but I didn't know they actually used those words. Could you please post some sources for those quotes? I'd love to take a look into it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

I'll be honest, I assumed half of the last paragraph was stolen from Nazi material and had jewish references replaced with Palestinian ones.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

UNRWA evacuated the HQ on the 12th of October 2023 and hasn't visited it since then, following the Israeli evacuation orders and as bombardment intensified, as per Lazzarini, Commissioner General of UNRWA said in a press release.

The last inspection for the UNRWA Gaza premises was completed in September 2023. Nothing was found at the time. Inspections are done quarterly.

So, either the UNRWA staff in the Gaza HQ gave access to its electricity infrastructure to Hamas between the date of the inspection and the date on which the premises have been evacuated, or Hamas tapped into their electricity infrastructure after the staff has left the premises of the Gaza UNRWA HQ.

That is just about how much time this IDF piece deserves. The thirty thousand dead civillians won't come back now, no matter what happens, with or without Hamas tapping into UNRWA electricity lines.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Meanwhile I'm still waiting here for the Al Shifa Hamas Command Center to be finally unveiled. They've conquered that hospital over two months ago.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Is there some kind of conversion rate? Like each discovered tunnel justifies 1,000 more dead or something?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The more Israel obsess over how many tunnels there are in Gaza, the more I realize they're more like public infrastructure than scary military hideouts

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Like a rational response to a constrained geographic footprint...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

"Israeli head of state claims to be doing everything possible to minimize Palestinian civilians"

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