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[–] [email protected] 107 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

"something doesn't add up"

yes it does. that's exactly what it is you're describing. all of it adding up. as always people struggle with exponential growth because it's not very intuitive.

my favorite way to demonstrate the unintuitive nature of exponential growth is this question:

there's a pond, and a lily pad on it. the number of lily pads double every day on the pond. so on day 1 there's one, day 2 there's two, and on day 3 there's four... etc.

if it takes 120 days for the pond to get completely covered in lily pads, what day was only half of it covered?

!the answer is 119.!<

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (3 children)

If it takes 120 days to be covered thats a huge fucking pond.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (5 children)

that is purposeful. it wouldn't make much of a point if it took 10 days.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oldest stone axes are like a million years.

We're not the first smart species.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I just looked this up because it sounds fake and guess what....

Looks like it is!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

What is?

That there are tools older than a million years?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldowan

The Oldowan (or Mode I) was a widespread stone tool archaeological industry (style) in prehistory. These early tools were simple, usually made by chipping off one, or a few, flakes off using another stone. Oldowan tools were used during the Lower Paleolithic period, 2.9 million years ago up until at least 1.7 million years ago (Ma), by ancient Hominins (early humans) across much of Africa. This technological industry was followed by the more sophisticated Acheulean industry (two sites associated with Homo erectus at Gona in the Afar Region of Ethiopia dating from 1.5 and 1.26 million years ago have both Oldowan and Acheulean tools[2]).

I genuinely don't know what or how you "looked it up". Please, do enlighten me, I'm not trying to offend. Some sort of a misunderstanding?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Pretty sure we had a triage stage during the whole prehistory to get to our point to randomly get an individual violent and cunning enough to survive the wilds and other competitors but helpful and sociable enough to survive within it's tribe.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yep. For most of human history technological progress amounted to getting a little bit better at smashing slightly sharper rocks over the course of hundreds of years.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A lot of the comments are talking about writing being the game changer but it took generations of selective breeding crops and livestock to make them viable for domestication. We haven't found any evidence of domestication prior to about 12k years ago in archeology or genetics. There were many civilizations who built large cities and never needed a writing system.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

I think it was A Collection Of Unmitigated Pedantry that pointed out, some of the oldest cities with any surviving architecture had stone walls ten feet thick. You don't start with ten-foot-thick walls. You work your way up to that.

A lot of what should be civilized history is just fuckin' gone.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Its all about building ontop of the law of adjacent possibilities, which end up becoming an S tier for progress. Of course it started out slow.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah it's OP in the long run, though draws helluva lot at the start

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The Pleistocene (2,580,000 - 11,700 years ago) was fucking crazy cold and had a hella unstable climate. Not a nice predictable environment.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We haven't even hit the steep bit of the curve yet, wait until you see where we are by the end of this century!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Slaves to a digital corporate machine ruled by sentient AI

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Yes if the cynics get their way

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Except we won't have the sentient or even good AI

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Or back to the caves, hunting with sticks and stones, could go either way really.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Good good good good good, good technology.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

We didn’t have writing for 190k years

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Shit can get pretty wild when you start writing stuff down

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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