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I think bad decisions influence him cause he was younger than me. It makes me want to know what happened in his life he was able to buy an AR-15 at 22 I think. He had a good life going and it's like no he tried to shoot Trump and I wonder why? I don't see how you can just hate someone that much to also end your life over.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 months ago (3 children)

He had a good life going

Based on accounts from people who knew him at school, he did not.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Unless you can talk to dead people I don't think so.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Maybe it was just to have the ear of the president.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

maybe he was out of earshot of the president and wanted to be in it.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

My best guess is he was hoping to kick off the Christian jihad/civil war by creating a martyr. He knew the maga folks would believe he was a Democrat plant and run with it.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago

He probably didn’t hate Trump. He seemed to be targeting a bunch of politicians. He was probably either mad at politics, or just trying to be famous.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Have you heard of CIA? Or Malcom X? Or Martin Luther King? Or John Kennedy?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

I really think this country is too crazy to really determine a motive. Why do people shoot up elementary schools? It seems so easy to think it's politically motivated, but I'm not convinced he hated trump, really.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Some people see injustice and the suffering of others and are willing to sacrifice their own lives regardless of how good they have it. I also don't understand this guy's motivations, but I sympathise with people all over the world who have chosen to end their lives in pursuit of some higher goal.

Look at Aaron Bushnell. He ended his life to protest Israel's crimes in Gaza and the US's complicity in them. I often wish I had that courage.

And with regards to killing other people, some people just deserve to die and I'm not succumbing to some liberal bullshit about civility when those same people who spout that nonsense turn a blind eye to the mass slaughter of innocents around the world in the name of the status quo and their privileged existences.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

The shooter is dead, knowing what they were thinking is going to be impossible now. People are going to guess based on situational information but we will never know

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Most people do not go out and attempt an assassination. That alone is an indication of some sort of psychotic break. Evidence may not have been made public yet or there may not be any. The only person who knew for sure is dead.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don’t think we can necessarily call all killers psychotic. Antisocials in the broadest of terms, maybe, sociopaths, probably, but they’re not necessarily all losing touch with reality.

In his case, given what we know so far, it does sound rather likely.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

To add to this, he had looked up several targets, including Biden. So it was likely as you say, a psychotic break followed by lashing out, rather than a partisan choice.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

The weapon he used was owned by his parents for many years prior. He grew up in a household full of guns. From everything we can tell right now, it seems like your typical school shooter. Depression and mental illness leads some to want to go with a bang, pun not intended. It doesn't seem like he hated Trump, so much as he wanted to target someone famous.

That said to your ladder point, literally millions of people gave their lives to kill Hitler.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Depression and mental illness leads some to want to go with a bang

No, they really fucking don't, privilege and the sense of entitlement it gives do.

Like seriously, beyond the bullshit that is scapegoating mental illness because it's easier than facing reality, that's literally not how depression works, nor "mental illness" in general, especially when you consider that mentally ill people are significantly more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrate it.

Stop perpetuating this lazy counterproductive bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

While I get the point you are trying to make, unfortunately unthreaded bipolar depression can indeed lead to manic psychosis episodes. Hyper fixation and grandiosity are also common symptoms. We're not talking about gender or racial violence here.

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