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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

... I mean, WTF. Mozilla, you had one job ...

Edit:

Just to add a few remarks from the discussions below:

  1. As long as Firefox is sponsored by 'we are not a monopoly' Google, they can provide good things for users. Once advertisement becomes a real revenue stream for Mozilla, the Enshittification will start.
  2. For me it is crossing the line when your browser is spying on you and if 'we' accept it, Mozilla will walk down this path.
  3. This will only be an additional data point for companies spying on you, it will replace none of the existing methodologies. Learn about fingerprinting for example
  4. Mozilla needs to make money/find a business model, agreed. Selling you out to advertisement companies cannot be it.
  5. This is a very transparent attempt of Mozilla to be the man in the middle selling ads, despite the story they tell. At that point I can just use Chrome, Edge or Safari, at least Google has expertise and the money to protect my data and sadly Chrome is the most compatible browser (no fault of Mozilla/Firefox of course).
  6. Mozilla massively acts against the interests of their little remaining user base, which is another dumb move made by a leadership team earning millions while kicking out developers and makes me wonder what will be next.
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

anyone who cares about privacy is running ublock and/or umatrix anyway so it's negated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This helps you not seeing ads, it does not help you being tracked.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What?

uBO absolutely helps against tracking. It is at least half of its reason for existing.

The two primary lists are an (1) an ad block list (2) an anti-tracking list.

And used in medium or hard mode uBO categorically blocks many methods of tracking.

But also, if you use Firefox, this is layered on top of Enhanced tracking protection, blocking of 3p tracking cookies, and total cookie protection (dfpi)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Kinda, we're all a little confused here.

uBlock will stop websites from tracking you.

uBlock will not stop your browser from tracking you

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That’s true, but this feature doesn't involve your browser tracking you or profiling you. It only relates to anttribution. And if you don’t trust that, it’s an easy 1-click opt out.

There is a good high level explainer here: https://andrewmoore.ca/blog/post/mozilla-ppa/

[–] [email protected] -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is why I don't care about privacy anymore and use whatever browser works better in my pc/sbc (brave) followed by a network ad-blocker solution (nextdns).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Way to go. Does this solution help with fingerprinting/tracking?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I've no idea, honestly. Does it gives me more free time to worry about more important stuff however that will (very likely) not be changed over time by money-hungry developers with false promises of unachievable anonymity and/or privacy in their applications? That I can guarantee a reasonable YES.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

He kinda said he doesn't care lol

He prolly got nothing to hide anyway

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Ok idealist.

What is your alternative funding stream for Mozilla?

It's bad.

Is it worse than the advertising owned browser that gives your information directly to said advertiser?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago

Fair question. First move for Mozilla: Fire the whole fucking leadership team and use the millions saved for some more developers working on Firefox. That should finance the next 2 years, afterwards we can think about next steps. :-P

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How does KDE do it with Konqueror?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Konqueror is dead since years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

That's a shame.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They don't. They rely entirely on donations (and sponsorship donations). It also mean, they have less resources to maintain and develop their software, ESPECIALLY Conqueror since it's not as much well-maintained compared to other parts of the KDE software suite. Plus, Firefox do maintain their own web-engine, while KDE just use the WebKit one, so even more reasons that Firefox can't substain with the resources KDE currently has.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Thanks for explaining.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I used to say the same, but now I wonder if they need as much as they have?

I am genuinely curious. There have been a lot of threads like this full of criticism for not spending enough on the browser.

It seems the browser is plenty funded, so maybe the org and co have too much and are in search of where to spend it?

Maybe it's just the company with too much and the org is still struggling?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I mean, that argument starts to wade in to the Mozilla foundation as a whole, and what their purpose is, and that's a giant kettle of fish.

Theoretical game. They lowball Google on how much Google pays them. How do people react? I don't see them doing that and say, "Man, I'm glad Firefox is reducing Google's influence over them". I see them making a thread about how Firefox is giving Google a discounted rate because they're all corrupt technofacists.

The core problem there still exists IMO. Funding.

What we really need is a reasonable way for open source, free, software, that exists for the good of the whole, to get money. But that has it's own kettle of fish, where does it come from, how big is big enough to get some, what if they charge for support, how open is open enough.

Something something, seize the means of production, communism, etc.

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