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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

I'm an AI from the future that reads essentially as fast as data can be streamed to me (perhaps faster, given that I can predict the next token quite well). This was still too long for me to read.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Who tf is this?

"How Batman Launders His Grudges Into the Public Record" by Penguin's Henchman #37, like dude, I spend way too much time sneering on yall and I've still never heard of mr Turdgrains or whatever.

In any case, whoever this is, @dgerard, you should start charging him rent for the priviledge of having you live in his head.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

who tf is this?

They’re a self-described gay, furry ex-mormon who seem to have latched onto the rat & rat-adjacent communities (like EA) in the hope of finding a substitute for the certainty they used to find in religion. Last I heard they work for the Blocked&Reported podcast, i.e. Jesse Singal et al.

On the surface they seem well meaning but naïve, the company they keep (perhaps) being a reflection of that.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

"Rather than carefully considering and discussing them on their intellectual merits, the Batman broadly dismisses any of Joker's articles as coming from an Unreliable Source. Batman is doing zillions of edits to the Justice League database so his views are overrepresented as well."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

@Starseeder @sneerclub That article is a powerful argument for professional editing.
(I do not mean that its topical content makes any such argument.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Without fail in the comments section, we have Daniel Kokotajlo (the philosophy student turned ai safety advocate who recently got canned at OAI) making the claim that "we [ = Young Daniel and our olde friend Big Yud] are AI experts and believe that risking full scale nuclear war over data centers is actually highly rational^{tm}" :)

...anyways, what were we saying about David Gerard being a bad faith actor again?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I stopped skimming but the gist seems to be "TFW ur BIG MAD that Quillette isn't as reliable as Teen Vogue."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

brb calling the burn unit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Holy fuck David, you really are living rent free in this SOB's head.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

from Twitter:

lol YouTube just served me an AI voiced 1:48:28 article solely dedicated to attacking @davidgerard on Wikipedia

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

lmao he's such a silly cunt

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What of the sources he is less favorably inclined towards? Unsurprisingly, he dismisses far-right websites like Taki’s Magazine (“Terrible source that shouldn't be used for anything, except limited primary source use.”) and Unz (“There is no way in which using this source is good for Wikipedia.”) in a virtually unanimous chorus with other editors. It’s more fruitful to examine his approach to more moderate or “heterodox” websites.

wait sorry hold on

in a virtually unanimous chorus with other editors

so what is the entire point of singling out Gerard for this, if the overwhelming majority of people already agree that far-right "news" sites like the examples given are full of garbage and shouldn't be cited?

Note: I am closer to this story than to many of my others

ahhhhhhh David made fun of some rationalist you like once and in turn you've elevated him to the Ubermensch of Woke, didn't you

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For the rat & rat-adjacent soi-disant “communities” David is like the bogeyman. You see his name used in places like SSC to stand in for the otherwise nameless woke menace that’s coming for their precious bodily fluids.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In April 2014, Gerard created a RationalWiki article about Effective Altruism, framing the subculture as “well-off libertarians congratulating each other on what wonderful human beings they are for working rapacious [s---]weasel jobs but choosing their charities well, but never in any way questioning the system that the problems are in the context of,” “a mechanism to push the libertarian idea that charity is superior to government action or funding,” and people who “will frequently be seen excusing their choice to work completely [f---]ing evil jobs because they're so charitable.”

it's fucking amazing how accurate this is, and almost a decade before SBF started explaining himself and never stopped

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

imagine being this butthurt

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

This is going to be a banger, I can feel it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

subheading: A love story

opener: Note: I am closer to this story than to many of my others

@dgerard "congratulations" on your new stalker

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

I've barely started reading and I'm deep in wtfs. this is such a weird hitpiece.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Quillette, Claire Lehmann’s longform magazine focused on science and cultural critique and the home of, among other things, the best-researched article I know of on gender differences in chess

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)

ah yes quillette, that fine bastion of whitewashing

the best-researched article I know of on gender differences in chess

just.... the absolute weirdest thing to pick? like, fucking seriously? or is there some weird-ass chess proxy-fixation among the rats that I have thus far been blessedly unaware of?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

I assume any publication that has ever run anything by Andy Ngo is absolute trash garbage.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

or is there some weird-ass chess proxy-fixation among the rats that I have thus far been blessedly unaware of?

Gonna take a shot in the dark and say the fixation's from viewing chess more as an IQ showcase than as a game.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

probably but it isn't one I've come across (in this form), thus my surprise

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

also, just ito "things to pick by which to point out dirtrag as a Shining Beacon", it's pretty fucking out there

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Back in 1995, when I was born, Gerard was my age

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I am well acquainted with this genre of article and I ain't reading all that. Not bothering to be involved with this example was the obviously correct decision, even if Trace kept nagging after I'd already said "no thank you."

This in the companion article caught my eye:

While I am not personally a rationalist,

Trace, I have some unfortunate news for you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

I regret to inform you that Trace is hate-reading awful.systems too & has posted this comment on their Twitter.

You’d think these people would have learned by now that there’s no upside in them spending their precious time on this earth obsessing over why a group of people don’t like them, but nevertheless here they are: drawn like moths to the flame.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

lmaou bruv, great to know these clowns are both coping & seething

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

There would be an upside if they could magically acquire some self-awareness, and reflect on why a whole group thinks their ideas are idiotic. Alas,

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

must be woke mind virus, we don't even acknowledge race and iq, smdh

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

dear me. doesn't he know that the actual art requires hate-skimming at most?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The bit about how the Bitcoiners won because the number went up is beyond parody.

I skimmed most of it once I had an idea of where this was going, and 13000 words of tone policing is just insanity. "The EA guys are great because they use moderate language and Gerald cackled at how Scott Star Alex had his life ruined by the extremist non-moderates at the NYT."

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

@Starseeder As someone with ADHD the only thing I find harder to cope with than the crazy, in-crowd bureaucracy of Wikipedia is attempting to read that mile-long polemic. Where do they find the time to write this shit?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'n not joking when I say he's probably using an LLM to write this junk. It reads like it, and he's already perfectly comfortable with illustrating his diatribes with embarrassing midjourney slop.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

I don't know i had to skim it too. Its hard to see what point he's trying to make. I can see why many of wikis choices are shit but he also seems to complain about takis magazine being removed witch just seems like a sensible choice. And he's still up on his high horse about that conference where HBD people were invited to speak. They think "rationality" is about seeking heterodox thinkers but you don't see anyone who believes in shit like miasma theory or any other discredited idea besides race there.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Prolix insanity is kind of a Rationalist / Rat-adjacent calling card.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Cool, it's like any one of the thousands of rightoid whines about wikipedia and then it somehow devolves into even more boring nonsense which I'm not going to read especially since most of it was probably written by an LLM.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

What happens when your spurned ex is a devoted archivist, a Wikipedia administrator, and perhaps the most online man the world has ever known?

I already thought he was cool you don't have to sell me on it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

NGL the AI generated image make DG look cool AF

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Didn't he violate Wikipedias rules though

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

hey buddy, uh, you gonna post any sneers in this here SneerClub thread you've started?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

previously, presently (this thread). also:

I regret to inform you that Trace is hate-reading awful.systems

I lack any concrete evidence, but wouldn't it just be fucking hilarious

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

it's a highly sneerable article, i'm sure he has something to sneer about it

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