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Key Points:

  • Apple opposed a right-to-repair bill in Oregon, despite previously supporting a weaker one in California.
  • The key difference is Oregon's restriction on "parts pairing," which locks repairs to Apple or authorized shops.
  • Apple argues this protects security and privacy, but critics say it creates a repair monopoly and e-waste.
  • Apple claims their system eases repair and maintain data security, while Google doesn't have such a requirement
  • Apple refused suggestions to revise the bill
  • Cybersecurity experts argue parts pairing is unnecessary for security and hinders sustainable repair.
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[–] [email protected] 47 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Right to repair also has an environmental angle. Consider which one uses more resources and likely produces more pollution:

  • The RAM in your laptop dies, you take it to a repair shop, they swap out the dead RAM. Dead RAM goes in the bin, laptop has years of life left in it
  • The RAM in your Macbook dies, the RAM is soldered to the board, you throw the whole thing away and buy a new one, and when a single component in the new Macbook dies, lather, rinse, repeat

Considering how much extra e-waste is generated when people can't repair things, there's really no way to buy Apple and call yourself an environmentalist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I really hope neither Apple nor any other repair shop simply casts electronic components in the bin. My expectation in both cases is that the components are recycled, at least for precious metals.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I don't have this optimism 😅

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Oh, you're a sustainable Apple user? Show me your reflow oven.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Mother earth advertising beg to differ /s

[–] [email protected] 67 points 7 months ago (3 children)

It's crazy that Apple is lauded as having amazing designers and engineers, but they can't make easily repairable devices. It's almost like that's the point...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Ooooh. I have a story for this.

I was a student at Purdue and one of the freshmen "engineering hype" lectures had people from industry come say why they're so cool, etc. Now, this was specifically an electrical and computer engineering course, not the whole engineering school. These are the people who tore apart their various electronics for fun and made cool stuff using parts from RadioShack (RIP).

Apple came to one. First red flag: she started with "don't tell anyone we were here". Weird, but whatever. She proceeded with her spiel and, after however long, got to the Q&A bit. Someone raised their hand and asked this: "why does Apple solder RAM into their devices". This woman said, and I quote, "It is the position of Apple that the consumer has no right to change the product after it has been sold". With a straight fucking face. Jaws dropped. There was a solid 10 seconds of silence while all these nerds (I include myself here) processed such a blatant anti-consumer (and anti-us if we're being honest) statement. This was in 2010 (+/- 1 year).

She finished up and left a few minutes later. No doubt some of my classmates went on to work for them, but it set my passionate hatred for Apple in stone right there. Don't care how nice their devices are, even if my husband uses his apple devices all the time (the walled garden works well for his needs), I will never purchase an Apple product for myself.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Guy must have been talking about that then. This was one of my rare clear memories. I had no idea about it at the time till that guy asked.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Thanks for the fact check!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Can't vs won't. I have no doubt that they could do it, but apple didn't get to be one of the most powerful companies in the world by doing the thing that is cheaper for the user.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Oddly, these hard to repair things in apples case are actually cheaper because of it, and probably in many cases makes them more durable due to less failure points.

The problems only come up if/when something does fail.

Having to replace a whole board instead of just the ram isn't cheaper, but that board per unit is cheaper.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

They have, but they are not in charge. Apple's goal is to make money; everything else comes as an afterthought.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Make parts pairing a free procedure by law with minimum required process and anyone can request it. Now Apple gets to keep their “security” bs argument and repairs can be done by anyone and paired by Apple for free.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Will this fix the HP printer problem?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago

They hoped you'd forget about all that .

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Of course they want you to use their shops. That way they can charge whatever price they want.

It's the same reason McDonald's ice cream machines are always down.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's moreso so that they can ensure you can't repair it at all. They'll tell you you need to spend way more money than you need to, then conveniently point you to the upgraded model on the show floor.

I'm just absolutely floored that people still spend so much money on this garbage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

That doesn't make sense when they backed the one in California but only didn't back this one because it would allow consumers to go outside of their repair system.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Meh, the ice cream machine is a different thing. I haven't figured out fully how it benefits McD's, I suspect there's little profit margin on ice cream, but having the machine at all still brings (hopeful) people in who buy something else. A bait-and-switch.

McD's uses the same machine as many other places, but they have the temp variance much tighter, so much tighter that after the daily cleaning cycle, it takes hours to get back to temp.

Then (and this is probably what you're referring to), if the machine has a code, the franchise is required by contract to use the repair service that comes with the machine lease.

There's an indedependent dev who wrote a code reader/reset tool for the machines, and McD's isn't happy about it.

I'm not clear how doing the maintenence this way benefits McD's, unless they own the servicing company, and it doesn't appear that they do.

In the end, it means McD's will often not actually have ice cream available. But these are franchises, so it would hurt the franchise most directly. Seems there'd be a potential legal issue here, if it could be proven.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Meh, the ice cream machine is a different thing.

It's not.

I haven't figured out fully how it benefits McD's

They get kickbacks from Taylor.

McD's uses the same machine as many other places, but they have the temp variance much tighter, so much tighter that after the daily cleaning cycle, it takes hours to get back to temp.

Wrong

There's an indedependent dev who wrote a code reader/reset tool for the machines, and McD's isn't happy about it.

Yeah McD's just told them they're not allowed to use it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

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Wrong

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Obviously people should be able to repair their own devices.

Pumps millions into actively preventing that exact thing

[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Pumps more millions into a cringe advertising campaign with some mother earth bullshit or so. Yeah sure we love her but let's force more ewaste down her throat. 😂

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah they supported weak protections that they could game. They are lobbying against legislation they can not.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago
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