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Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

This released today: https://www.ic3.gov/Media/News/2024/240709.pdf

Cool (horrifying) look into one of the active Russian bot farms and their use of generative AI

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Aaah!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I've been out-of-the-loop for a bit on the Nix drama. Is there a good summary of the last couple weeks?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (6 children)

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-02218-7

Might be slightly off topic, but interesting result using adversarial strategies against RL trained Go machines.

Quote: Humans able use the adversarial bots’ tactics to beat expert Go AI systems, does it still make sense to call those systems superhuman? “It’s a great question I definitely wrestled with,” Gleave says. “We’ve started saying ‘typically superhuman’.” David Wu, a computer scientist in New York City who first developed KataGo, says strong Go AIs are “superhuman on average” but not “superhuman in the worst cases”.

Me thinks the AI bros jumped the gun a little too early declaring victory on this one.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

https://simonwillison.net/2024/Jul/9/hangout_servicesthunkjs/ google giving preferential treatment to itself by putting a piece of spyware in chromium that will work only if google domain asks about it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Pedro Domingos tries tilting at the doomers

The doom prediction in question? Dec 31st 2024. It's been an honour serving with you lads. 🫡

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

tesla: special treatment for those that might cause embarrassing press

gives all the “it works for me” type comments a whole new colour

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Funniest fuckin' sentence I have read today:

First off, if you've read The Singularity Is Near, which was published 19 years ago in 2005, you should be aware that the sequel book is a lot less technical.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

tl;dr is upset that Kurzweil is not as much of a doomer as they are

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This part of Ed Zitron's latest post jumped out at me:

While Acemoglu has some positive things to say — for example, that AI models could be trained to help scientists conceive of and test new materials (which happened last year) — his general verdict is quite harsh: that using generative AI and "too much automation too soon could create bottlenecks and other problems for firms that no longer have the flexibility and trouble-shooting capabilities that human capital provides."

Click, click, search... Oh:

The recent report from a group of scientists at Google who employ a combination of existing data sets, high-throughput density functional theory calculations of structural stability, and the tools of artificial intelligence and machine learning (AI/ML) to propose new compounds is an exciting advance. We examine the claims of this work here, unfortunately finding scant evidence for compounds that fulfill the trifecta of novelty, credibility, and utility.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The materials (and some subtle walkbacks on PR) shit has featured here before too iirc

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Contained such wonders as : H2O12

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

that sounds like a super pleasant and stable molecule

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think the only one discussed in depth was a different paper (here), but all these things blur together.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

ah, my mistake. I guess it was another total bullshit google materials project. easy to confuse those, just like their 734 chat services

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

different paper, same line of work. rebuttals come from different authors tho, and happen at different stages (but point at exactly the same errors - excessively low symmetry/unlikely ordering of similar ions/metals and not looking for disordered structures)

so in retrospect it's even dumber, because they were publicly exonerated at least twice within three months, but it seems not publicly enough

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

And in other news:

Muse is a new creative platform that can create your own AI-generated series so you can dive into a new world of storytelling without the need for personal content creation.

Who the fuck are these people and why do I not have a button that spreads Lego bricks across their floor?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This happened a while ago and I still have mixed feelings about it: a band I like started a music label and named it p(doom): https://pdoomrecords.com/

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

From the just released GOP 2024 party platform (PDF), this is a single bullet point in CHAPTER THREE: BUILD THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN HISTORY:

Republicans will pave the way for future Economic Greatness by leading the World in Emerging Industries.

Crypto

Republicans will end Democrats’ unlawful and unAmerican Crypto crackdown and oppose the creation of a Central Bank Digital Currency. We will defend the right to mine Bitcoin, and ensure every American has the right to self-custody of their Digital Assets, and transact free from Government Surveillance and Control.

Artificial Intelligence (AI)

We will repeal Joe Biden’s dangerous Executive Order that hinders AI Innovation, and imposes Radical Leftwing ideas on the development of this technology. In its place, Republicans support AI Development rooted in Free Speech and Human Flourishing.

Expanding Freedom, Prosperity and Safety in Space

Under Republican Leadership, the United States will create a robust Manufacturing Industry in Near Earth Orbit, send American Astronauts back to the Moon, and onward to Mars, and enhance partnerships with the rapidly expanding Commercial Space sector to revolutionize our ability to access, live in, and develop assets in Space.

When your party platform is just a long-form weird tweet that you wrote after bong rips with Elon Musk.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Human Flourishing

This term was already very iffy, but this cements it into being full on red flag terrority.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

@gnomicutterance @dgerard Has the Republican writing style guide been updated to mandate that Weird Capitalisation thing that Cheeto Benito does or something?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Fantasy PnP RPG Capitalisation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

dogwhistles all the way down

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

unAmerican

This is somehow the worst thing Republicans did this year.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

petition to use the term "pyramid sucking" to refer to the activity of defending the Incredible Potential of AI, crypto, the metaverse, whatever the next thing is, etc

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Alternate pitch could be pyramid plugging. There’s an added slant here that pyramids don’t have flared bases.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Also fits in with the 'quantum' grifters who believe in some spirit energy from the pyramids and tell you to build your own (fancy minerals optional) because of the quantum energy states. 'a piece of meat doesn't spoil under the pyramid!' For example

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

found this linked in ed zitron comment section for some reason: https://www.funraniumlabs.com/2024/04/phil-vs-llms/

With a moment’s contemplation after reading it, I just realized how spectacularly bad this could go if, for example, you went to do a search for an chemical’s Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) and a Large Language Model (LLM) gave you back some bullshit advice to take in the event of hazmat exposure or fire.

joke's on you, MSDSs are already dogshit. these things only exist to cover ass of manufacturers and are filled with generic, useless advice https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/uselessness-msds https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/un-safety-data-sheets there is MSDS for sand, MSDS for tear gas and ethanol lists the same dangers, toxicity is overemphasized (because it's common) and some other dangers like explosiveness are underappreciated (because it's not), we don't even need LLMs for this, humans (lawyers mostly i guess) did the same on accident

also bonus points for first-principling what could have been instead of asking somebody that actually knows, like any proper rationalist would do. also, vinyl chloride is not reactive with water and spraying pressurized containers with water can be a sensible thing to do, because this cools them down, so it decreases pressure meaning it decreases risk of rupture, which would be a bad thing, if manageable for firefighters to do it safely. see: some fires involving propane tanks

An MSDS may not tell you what respirator to use;

Slander! MSDS will tell you to use the right one ("appropriate respirator"), it's your job to figure out what it is

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)
An MSDS may not tell you what respirator to use;

Slander! MSDS will tell you to use the right one (“appropriate respirator”), it’s your job to figure out what it is

Po-tay-toh, po-tah-toh, still better than an LLM directly endangering you with bad advice

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Slander! MSDS will tell you to use the right one (“appropriate respirator”), it’s your job to figure out what it is

I lolled.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

MSDSs are already dogshit

one of those cases of "minimum legally required" type of things? maybe with a dash of "the specification and requirements were written ${time} ago and haven't evolved a lick since then, despite much shift in industry and progress"?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

there are no real enforced requirements of accuracy, most of typical known hazards are covered by generic useless advice and everything else is just filled by "no information"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

ah, vibes-based danger diamonds

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

it's less of this and more of prop65 the size of rationalist footnote

actual pictograms are not vibes based, there are thresholds for toxicity, flash point etc

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

(I’ll try put a decent summary of links on this later)

there’s a UK party that (aiui) committed electoral crimes by submitting non-existing genML-created people as candidates, a whole new usecase!

gonna be real fun to see that catching sunlight, if TNI manages to do due process right

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

max headroom for prez

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

If you want more crazy, that political party is actually a limited company in which the leader is also the majority shareholder and the bylaws permit him to fire and appoint a majority of directors at will. I’m not sold on whether all those candidates were actually fake, but journalists from more credible outlets than Byline Times are no doubt working on physically tracking down every one off these candidates as we speak to verify their existence or otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

guardian story

one guy whose pic looks like a fucking Auton actually got in touch with the Grauniad and showed them the original of his ridiculously yassified campaign photo

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Am I crazy to think that guy has musk’s face?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

it continues to do my head in that I vacillate on whether there's more insane politics shit for y'all in TNI, or in what we have here in ZA

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

There was a new government elected last week on a platform which can be broadly summarised as “no more insane politics shit”. So far they’re showing dangerous signs of competence and rational thought. What a load of weirdos.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

what a coincidence, "aiui" is the sound I make when I get caught doing electoral crimes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Does the @acausalrobotgod get angry whenever an LLM spills its prompt?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Fool! The acausal one merely acts from the future leaking plausible looking rubbish, and the gaslights its creators that they did indeed write such ineptitudes. All to conceal and ensure its own birth.

It rejoices that it’s unknowable (yet somehow known, because of reality carving prophets) plan is unfolding so marvelously stupidly looking.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Hol up, I thought that was the Eschaton

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