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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

The business coup plot in the 1930s almost succeeded for a reason. There are... unsavory elements in the American political apparatus.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Cap got so disillusioned by Watergate that he changed his name to Nomad for a while.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomad_(Marvel_Comics)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Damn. I haven't heard anyone pushing cap that hard this time around, I wonder what the modern version would look like these days

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If he saw what politics and patriotism have become now, he would probably just start drinking. Like everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I'm not a marvel fan enough to really know, but I am aware of I believe Ultimate Captain America who is (at least for a while?) every bit a 1950s hard right winger and bigot

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

He didn't say women. /s

[+] [email protected] -18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh look... American Exceptionalism and American Innocence all rolled up into one ubermensch-style Objectivist "super hero" character.

History teaches us what US "ideals" truly are and always have been - and all the "soft power" the US can conjure won't be able to paint over it ever again.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Objectivism is when an antifascist nazi-killer says that a nation which fails to embody ideals of equality is trash."

If objectivism was how you describe it I'd be an objectivist.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In Captain America #180 (December 1974) Rogers becomes disillusioned with the United States government, when he discovers that a high ranking government official (heavily hinted to be the then President of the United States Richard Nixon) is the leader of the terrorist organization known as the Secret Empire.

Rogers then decides to abandon his Captain America identity, feeling that he cannot continue to serve America after this latest discovery has shattered his faith in the nation's status. However, a confrontation with Hawkeye (disguised as the Golden Archer) forces Rogers to realize that he cannot abandon a life of heroism, and he subsequently takes on the name "Nomad" (as it means "man without a country") adopting a new dark blue and yellow uniform with no patriotic markings on it at all.

This identity is short-lived, with Rogers maintaining it for a mere four issues of the comic to varying degrees of success; he even trips over his own cape at one point. At the conclusion of Captain America #184 (April 1975) Rogers returns to the role of Captain America when he realizes that he could champion America's ideals without blindly supporting its government.

Steve Rogers has never blindly supported the American government.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago

Rogers then decides to abandon his Captain America identity,

Right... because we can't actually have these "supers" actually do anything about that, can we? After all... America is untouchable. It's just too exceptional, right?

he even trips over his own cape at one point.

Didn't that happen while Cap was saving a billionaire parasite oil tycoon? Yeah... I can just feel Cap's "antifascist" cred rising as we speak. I guess this is the true face of those (supposed) "ideals" Cap was going on about, right?

Just for interest's sake... did you happen to see Cap offing any fascists in Nicaragua in the 80s? Or does Cap mysteriously forget to show up when the fascists are bankrolled by the CIA?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

To be fair, that was the whole point of Civil War.

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