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The Spanish government has a plan to prevent kids from watching porn online: Meet the porn passport.

Officially (and drily) called the Digital Wallet Beta (Cartera Digital Beta), the app Madrid unveiled on Monday would allow internet platforms to check whether a prospective smut-watcher is over 18. Porn-viewers will be asked to use the app to verify their age. Once verified, they'll receive 30 generated “porn credits” with a one-month validity granting them access to adult content. Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits.

You have to request more porn credits from the government if you need more? Don't want the government to be tracking this data of you. This is a privacy issue

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Kids can torrent my dude. Been doing it since I was like 13, and that's only because before that I was using limewire, then frostwire, then bearshare, then I found torrents because TPB took over. I've been pirating since I was like 9.

That is to say: This dumb ass bullshit isn't even going to work.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago

I don't think porn is a good thing, but the fact that even if you're an adult with a pass you are limited is pretty bizarre. this is on top of the fact that you are already giving up your privacy to view it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I am against porn, but this don't solve anything.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (11 children)

How can you be against porn? It's neither good or bad, it exists and I basically don't watch it, but I recognize that others do, why is that a problem that needs solving? To be clear, I'm reading your response as against porn in all forms and for all audiences based on your wording, is that what you mean?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago (5 children)

What the fuck is going on with these porn laws wtf

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

I've got to get me a Spanish porn passport. I likes me some big bootie Spanish girls.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Iirc Spain is one of those countries that makes you install a cert to use some of their government services, which they can then use to MITM all your https connections

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

Yeah this is not true. First the cert is only used on some government sites, no mitm anywhere. Also if you don't like the cert there are other ways to authenticate yourself, for example using your Id on a electronic reader or normal auth with user name pass and 2fa.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago

remind me never to go to Spain

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago (4 children)

No one expects the Spanish Imposition.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 5 months ago (1 children)

On the plus side Spains teenagers are about to become extremely computer literate.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Wouldn’t it be more effective to just grant each user a way to pass verification with age with a token tied to some system and simply use a Ring signature so that user privacy is preserved and no need for limits?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

For those in Spain I suggest protonVpn

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Is "effective" really the word you want to use?

Of course engineers are going to design the simplest system that meets the requirements. It seems like "privacy" wasn't on the list of requirements here.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

So the reason they give you multiple credits instead of just a 30 day cookie when you sign into a website is that it's anonymised right? You generate them and save them offline and the government doesn't know which token belongs to who?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wait, what are the credits for? You spend them to watch porn or what? So when you're out of credits you're locked out? Sorry but... wtf?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I wonder if threesomes burn through the credits faster. Group kinks are going to be expensive.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

On behalf of teen me and adult me, fuck off

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And then when it doesn't work because of the laws of nature, they can block filesharing sites on account of porning kids up without requiring porn credits.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

When you are out of porn credits before the end of the month, you can go to the good ol' simulator:

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago

Hmm. Driving porn viewers who value their privacy underground couldn't possibly have any negative consequences I can think of.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago

If your worst-case scenario for lax online identity is that kids might watch porn... I don't give a shit if kids watch porn.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago

How many here want to bet that VPN companies lobbied the Spanish Government for this?

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I don't think this is that bad compared to the alternatives I've seen (it doesn't tie your identity to the content you're viewing, only the use of your credits) but I would be curious to know if the government is also reexamining its sex education curriculum and delivery at the same time. Banning porn won't magically improve the attitudes of young people (particularly men) towards their sexual partners.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

(it doesn’t tie your identity to the content you’re viewing, only the use of your credits)

The website can't know this, but the government can easily (and I bet will) link an identity to a token, and know where and when it is used. It can also request metadata on usage of a token, which websites will no doubt want to store.

That the government can track this sort of thing is bad enough, but I'm especially concerned that it or both parties will leak/share/sell their databases, allowing anyone to do the same.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Why do you assume they will? From the design document it sounds like that's not how it will work. You mentioned data leaks but it sounds like there is no history log to leak.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

Surely this will work.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits."

Well that's a relief. For a minute there, I was worried.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Back in my day, extra credit had to be earned.

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