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I still feel like the UK is going to end up slowly going to the EEA + Schengen over time in Starmer's lifetime
What a wanker
Rejoining the EU isn't a priority for me right now, but in 10 years time, who knows. Ruling out all other types of relationship is stupid. I voted for labour because I wanted to see the Tories out, but if this is really their goal then they might not get my vote in the next election.
He's right. There just isn't the political will in the population to reopen the topic of Brexit now. Whether anyone likes it or not, the things British people really care about right now, in no particular order, are:
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Inflation
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House & utility & food prices
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Immigration
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NHS waiting lists & more dentists
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Train infrastructure.
People can make very legitimate arguments linking Brexit to those issues, but it's not politically viable to open that can of worms again. They just really want their lives to improve for the first time in over a decade.
"Brexit isn't a priority like all of these topics that are directly influenced by Brexit"
Haha no shit...this are all things joining the EU would really help with.
Not to mention that the UK originally joined the EC in the early 70s precisely to fix its economical problems.
Joining the EU might indeed be a bit off because everybody is weary of a not actually fully committed UK but that doesn't mean the UK can't join the single market, or at least a customs union. Turkey currently is more closely integrated with the EU than the UK is.
I'm moderately happy that the UK is not in the EU because the Tories would put so many MPs to the ECR Group
Most of these issues directly relate to and are consequence of Brexit and no longer having access to the EU's broader infrastructure and markets tied into the British ones. While they aren't completely cut off, the additional borders the UK threw up only cut them off from the benefits of being in the EU in the first place.
Complete rubbish. There is 12% majority for rejoining.
What's the name gonna be? Brenter?
Brenetration
BreJoin
Engter
So you're telling me that people in the UK want lower food prices, but don't want to be part of the EU common market. And they want more doctors and dentists, but less immigration.
Is there an epidemic of mental illness? Do these people know what cause and effect are?
Brexit was a classic example of racists shooting themselves in the foot and not realizing how bad it would be.
people in the UK want lower food prices, but don't want to be part of the EU common market
Yup, it's pretty dumb. But the way the majority feels is that they've had these arguments about Brexit for some many years they're basically done at this point.
And they want more doctors and dentists, but less immigration.
Interestingly, even Reform, the most pro-brexit anti-immigration send everyone to Rwanda party still wants exceptions for doctors, dentists and nurses to allow them to come into the country at will. They are very much considered the exception for immigration.
They're not going to come without their family. And their family isn't all doctors and nurses. That policy isn't going to work if their husband / wife can't join them or can't work in the country. A lot are doctors from the EU. They don't need to come to the UK to make money.
Yeah we're already draining them to France and it's a problem for the eastern Europe countries now instead 🤷
Is there an epidemic of mental illness?
Yes, but unfortunately no doctors to diagnose it.
Yeah this really isn't that surprising.
Even if rejoining the EU was a top priority, that's something that'll take years to come about.
You both are depressingly right. I genuinely believe if there was another referendum, it may sway more for Remain than last time, but not by that much. I reckon a good ~40% would still vote Leave so when the support for Remain is not even overwhelmingly high, it may not be worth reopening this.
Leavers fucked us all over, that ship has sailed, nothing we can do about it in the foreseeable future. Let's try and play the cards we've been dealt and improve things that way and we'll see what happens in a few decades.
EU just dodged a bullet
The thing I've always loved about the Labor party is how they really set themselves apart from the Tories. I mean, it's just night and day. Really makes you feel like things are going to change for the better. So inspiring.
New Labour are really just a strain of neoliberal Democrats. Ole' Starmy is New Labour, through and through.
It's like watching american stupidity only with extra steps, more players, and tea.
What a moron
On the upside, it sounds like Starmer is saying he'll be dead soon.
That's what I took it to mean.
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