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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

My discord friends had some easy ways to defeat this.

You could require multiple photos; it's pretty hard to get AI to consistently generate photos that are 100% perfect. There would bound to be things wrong with trying to get AI to generate multiple photos of the same (non-celeb) person that would make it obvious it's fake.

Another idea was to make it a short video instead of a still photo. For now, at least, AI absolutely sucks balls at making video.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Just wait a few months for video, about consistency in photos, just use loras and seeds.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Thank goodness we can now use AI to do something that could already easily be done by taking a picture off someones social media.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Due to having so many people trying to impersonate me on the internet, I've become somewhat of a expert on verification pictures.

You can still easily tell that this is fake because if you look closely, the details, especially the background clutter, is utterly nonsensical.

  1. The object over her right shoulder (your left), for example, looks like if someone blended a webcam with a TV with a nightstand.
  2. Over her left shoulder (your right), her chair is only on that one side and it blends into the counter in the background.
  3. Is it a table lamp or a wall mounted light?
  4. The doorframe in background behind her head is not even aligned.
  5. Her clavicles are asymmetrical, never seen that on a real person.
  6. Her wispy hairstrands. Real hair don't appear out of thin air in loops.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Due to so many people trying to impersonate me on the Internet

Yeah see, now I am not really sure if you're the real Margot Robbie.

Could you send me a verification picture?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

But then how will I astroturf (I mean, organically market) my current and future movies, like Golden Globe winning summer blockbuster, Barbie, now available on Blu-Ray and select streaming services, here if I get verified?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The point isn't that you can spot it.

The point is that the automated system can't spot it.

Or are you telling me there is a person looking at every verification photo, and if they did they would thoroughly scan the photo for imperfections?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The idea of using a picture upload for automated verification is completely unviable. A much more commonly used system would be something like telling you to perform a random gesture on camera on the spot, like "turn your head slowly" or "open your mouth slowly" which would be trivial for a human to perform but near impossible for AI generators.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

but near impossible for AI generators.

...I feel like this isn't the first time I heard that statement before.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

They were always useless

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What am I looking at here?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

GenAI made image of a verification post. The point i guess is that with genAI photos, anyone can easily make a fake verification post, making them less useful as a means to verify identity.

The post originally is from reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/s/fEle6uaiR7)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Isn't there a trick where you can ask someone to do a specific hand gesture to get photos verified. That'll still work especially because AI makes fingers look wonky

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

AI has been able to do fingers for months now. It's moving very rapidly so it's hard to keep up. It doesn't do them perfectly 100% of the time, but that doesn't matter since you can just regenerate it until it gets it right.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Can confirm, I made some random korean dude on dall-e to send to Instagram after it threatened to close my fake account, and it passed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Why would they require a photo? What the heck?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is that Chad Kroger from Nickelback?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is that Joey with something on his head?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

How did his eyes get so red?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Every night it even makes me legitimize

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Very rapidly the basis of truth in any discussion is going to get eroded.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Micro communities based on pre (post-truth) connections. Only allowing people into the community that can be confirmed be others?

I've been thinking of starting a matrix community to get away from discord and it's inevitable Botting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I never understood how they were useful in the first place. But that's kind of beside the point. I assume this is referencing AI, but due to the fact that you've only posted one photo out of apparently four, I don't really have any idea what you're posting about.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The point of verification photos is to ensure that nsfw subreddits are only posting with consent. Many posts were just random nudes someone found, in which the subject was not ok with having them posted.

The verification photos show an intention to upload to the sub. A former partner wanting to upload revenge porn would not have access to a verification photo. They often require the paper be crumpled to make it infeasible to photoshop.

If an AI can generate a photorealistic verification picture, it cannot be used to verify anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't realize they originated with verifying nsfw content. I'd only ever seen them in otherwise text-based contexts. It seemed to me the person in the photo didn't necessarily represent the account owner just because they were holding up a piece of paper showing the username. But if you're matching the verification against other photos, that makes more sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

It's been used way before the nsfw stuff and the advent of AI.

Back in the days if you were doing an AMA with a celeb, the picture proof is the celeb telling us this is the account they are using. Doesn't need to be their account and was only useful for people with an identifiable face. If you were doing an AMA because you were some specialist or professional, giving your face and username doesn't do anything, you need to provide paperwork to the mods.

This is a poor way to police fake nudes though, I wouldn't have trusted it even before AI.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Was it really that hard to Photoshop enough to bypass mods that are not experts at photo forensic?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think it takes a considerable amount of work to photoshop something written on a sheet of paper that has been crumpled up and flattened back out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

If you have experience with the program it's piss easy

However most people do not have experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Probably not, but it would still reduce the amount considerably.