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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

There Will be a bump when the release the new faction and the mystery 4th faction. But as someone with everything maxed out I just drop in twice or thrice a week now. Just nothing to aim for. Some kind of prestige system could be good.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'll play again at some point but for now, Iceborne.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

The Elden Lord needs to kill some more dragons.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

How to be successful long term:

  1. Make a good game

  2. Don't ship your game with a rootkit

  3. Don't ban entire regions from your game

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If they drop they root kit I'll play it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Happens with all unestablished games

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

And other major expansions for elden ring and FFXIV released recently. There's potential overlap in the player base. 90% is a big dip though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Wait, was this heralded as some live service forever game?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

Never touched it again after the psn fiasco. I am not deluded enough to think the devs were on the players side. If you saw there early messages about it and still think they are with you, you are completely lost.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I've been waiting for a sale to buy it... hopefully there are still players but if not shrug

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

The article says there's 35k players - I'd get it if you like what you see

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

There's still players, don't worry.

Everyone seems to want to jump on the neg train but reality is that even games with tiny players numbers can still support multilayer matchmaking

It's still the 35th most played game on steam.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's like saying breaking bad has lost 99% of its viewers with no sign of recovery. L take

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

The point made in the article is that this isn't supposed to some content that is released and over, like a TV episode. It's a live service game that's expected to be continuously played and generate income. This a huge drop is a mark against that model.

I do love helldivers, but I'm not exactly sad if live service games end up being not attractive to devs anymore.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Oh no, anyway.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As someone who loves Helldivers 2 but has not played in about a month and a half, it's summer Forbes. People are also playing less games than normal.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It’s down 90% because of summer?? Come on now, that’s ridiculous. You think all the kids home for the summer refuse to play games?

Maybe you should take a look at the steam numbers for the other big games, they are absolutely not down 90%

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

And the Sony account requirement will be reimplemented in 3... 2... 1...

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Why would it sustain those numbers? It's fine to play a cool game, be satisfied with it, and then move on.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yup I had fun with it, now it doesn't sound as much fun anymore. I played it until it got boring due to repetitiveness.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

They don’t have any kind of single player option which turns off a lot of players. It looked really cool, but as soon as I found out to really experience the game you have to play with others, became immediately uninterested.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Because it's a live service game. The disconnect is that this doesn't make players want to stay as much as the developer/publisher would like.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I gotta say. Props to Lemmy users here. This thread is just post after post of generally reasonable take on how enjoyment and entertainment work in reality.

And really just a perfect argument for why infinite growth live service games are a fucking cancer dreamed up by humans who are fucking parasites.

Helldivers is great and the devs should be proud of their success. A+ .

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

Because in the minds of suits live service games are meant to be played forever.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When the initial player base numbers are fucking unsustainable, this is a necessary and expected correction.

Panicked headline aside, there are still tens of thousands of players online at any given time and the game is doing extremely well at for not having had a proper expansion or new faction, and just the steady drip feed of new gear and equipment.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It’s clickbait more so than panicked headline but yeah I agree

[–] [email protected] 68 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I really enjoy the game, but now me and my friends are maxed out. Max samples, max medals, max upgrades. With nothing to progress to there is far less incentive to play.

The way my friend group works, and I imagine many others work, when I see one of my friends online playing a game, I join their game. And hell divers was great for that, they made joining games effortless. So it was very social.

But without any of my friends actually progressing towards something in the game, it's far rarer for us to just join on each other cuz we're not playing it alone. So now Helldivers is a an option, when we're already together online, trying to figure out something to do, we will hell dive and have fun no problem. But it's far less likely now

If they want to maintain a larger user base, they need to have something for people to constantly progress towards. It could just be donating samples to a new research project, that could be infinite grind

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Its weird, but the game felt like it was going to be adding maps and combat zones with relative frequency. But I agree, the game got stale fairly quickly. It was fun, but not meaningfully more fun than Counterstrike or DOTA

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I think they ended up slowing their release pace, which was sort of absurdly fast. Which I think is great? I'd rather see more meaningful, occasional updates. The kind that would bring folks back to play it until they complete said content.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

They should create a third enemy that they ask the community to keep mostly hidden, only accessible to the best (progressed above a certain point) Helldiver. This is a bad, if fun, idea though.

So I guess what would everyone like to see?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

And yet they need to also be fixing bugs en masse since they create tons of them every update.

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