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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

@AllNewTypeFace @cstross if a couch potato is someone who never leaves their couch, does this make Kurzwell a bullshit potato?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

His synths are still legendary

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Universal basic income will start in the 2030s, which will help cushion the harms of job disruptions. It won’t be adequate at that point but over time it will become so.

In the US? Fat fucking chance. The social safety net here is so poor that even the amount you get for unemployment is the same as it was decades ago, which doesn't pace with inflation and can't even cover rent anymore.

I don't believe I'll see UBI in my working lifetime. There are too many powerful interests that oppose it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

The social safety net here is so poor that even the amount you get for unemployment is the same as it was decades ago, which doesn’t pace with inflation and can’t even cover rent anymore.

In .nl our far right gov has seen this and decided to uncouple unemployment and wages/inflation as well. So yeah lol.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (6 children)

What a shitty title.

Kurzweil has been right on tons of his predictions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I predict you are going to have a bad time here. And that is far before 2045.

(Edit: I hear you think, but predicting after a thing has already happened and keeps happening, that isn't really predicting now is it. And Varyk was enlightened).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Haha, see, one prediction and it's already wrong.

That's why kurzweil is so impressive with all of his correct predictions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I had not seen your post of 10 correct predictions, sorry enlightenment is mu, a bit like the question if a dog has Buddha nature.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

fuck almighty it’s gonna be one of those weekends isn’t it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

for you? you get banned for jacking off in public, because all of your posts here are masturbation

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (15 children)

Easy peasy:

  1. Computers would beat humans at chess(happened in 1998)

  2. Digital information explosion(The information on the internet rapidly becoming too much for the entire world to read)

  3. Medicine becoming information technology(genomic, sequencing and crispr)

  4. The inevitability of direct human computer interfacing (neuralink)

  5. Life extension(cryonics/neuralink)

  6. AI becoming a major industry(AI)

  7. Computers built into eyeglasses(google glass)

  8. Cpu processing speed explosion(Moore's law)

  9. PCs would be able to answer questions wirelessly (search engines and the internet)

  10. Exoskeletons render the disabled able (3d printable prosthetic limbs)

There are many, many more correct predictions by this guy

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

| AI becoming a major industry(AI)

Yes, but in the same way that tax shelters and carbon offsetting are major industries. All the useful things done by “AI” tend to happen outside of the hype mills and be relatively boring statistical models like autocomplete, which nobody points to as a sign of the coming Computer God.

| Computers built into eyeglasses(google glass)

They build single-use computers into pregnancy tests. They’re powerful enough to run DOOM, despite being doomed to immediately become e-waste. Is this a sign of the imminent Singularity as well?

| PCs would be able to answer questions wirelessly (search engines and the internet)

Someone built a radio into a computer? Really? I wonder why nobody thought of that before.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@Varyk

Cryonics is a grift, nobody is going to be cured of death by future Dr Jesus.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The pioneers of cryonics ended up as a very rich soup

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (14 children)

"the last decade will have been a period of constant economic prosperity"

— Kurzweil's prediction in 1999 about 2009

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Some of Kurzweil's predictions in 1999 about 2019:

A $1,000 computing device is now approximately equal to the computational ability of the human brain. Computers are now largely invisible and are embedded everywhere. Three-dimensional virtual-reality displays, embedded in glasses and contact lenses, provide the primary interface for communication with other persons, the Web, and virtual reality. Most interaction with computing is through gestures and two-way natural-language spoken communication. Realistic all-encompassing visual, auditory, and tactile environments enable people to do virtually anything with anybody regardless of physical proximity. People are beginning to have relationships with automated personalities as companions, teachers, caretakers, and lovers.

Also:

Three‐dimensional nanotube lattices are now a prevalent form of computing circuitry.

And:

Autonomous nanoengineered machines can control their own mobility and include significant computational engines.

And:

ʺPhoneʺ calls routinely include high‐resolution three‐dimensional images projected through the direct‐eye displays and auditory lenses. Three‐dimensional holography displays have also emerged. In either case, users feel as if they are physically near the other person. The resolution equals or exceeds optimal human visual acuity. Thus a person can be fooled as to whether or not another person is physically present or is being projected through electronic communication.

And:

The all‐enveloping tactile environment is now widely available and fully convincing. Its resolution equals or exceeds that of human touch and can simulate (and stimulate) all of the facets of the tactile sense, including the sensing of pressure, temperature, textures, and moistness. Although the visual and auditory aspects of virtual reality involve only devices you have on or in your body (the direct‐eye lenses and auditory lenses), the ʺtotal touchʺ haptic environment requires entering a virtual reality booth. These technologies are popular for medical examinations, as well as sensual and sexual interactions with other human partners or simulated partners. In fact, it is often the preferred mode of interaction, even when a human partner is nearby, due to its ability to enhance both experience and safety.

And:

Automated driving systems have been found to be highly reliable and have now been installed in nearly all roads.

And:

The type of artistic and entertainment product in greatest demand (as measured by revenue generated) continues to be virtual‐experience software, which ranges from simulations of ʺrealʺ experiences to abstract environments with little or no corollary in the physical world.

And:

The expected life span, which, as a (1780 through 1900) and the first phase result of the first Industrial Revolution of the second (the twentieth century), almost doubled from less than forty, has now substantially increased again, to over one hundred.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Kurzweil really is indistinguishable from a shitty phone psychic, including the followers who cherry pick “correct” predictions and interpret the incorrect ones so loosely they could mean anything (I’m waiting for some fucker to pop up and go “yeah duh Apple Vision Pro” in response to half of those, ignoring the inconvenient “works well and is popular” parts of the predictions)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (6 children)

“Humans are generally far removed from the scene of battle.”

if you have budget for that, against an enemy that doesn't

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

"Humans are generally far removed from the scene of battle" (if you don't count the people that the drones are blowing up)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

yeah, and it's been like this since brits used freshly invented heavy machine guns in their colonial wars. machines killing machines is just what will cause army bean counters to burn at stake operators of these machines

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, this can be made true by the simple expedient of redefining who counts as “human”

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

are these meat popsicles in the room with us?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

what is nice about this, half of the shit you listed is either scam for hype-suspectible cultists or is not what you present as when marketing fluff is removed

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

@Varyk @jonhendry Neuralink? How's that going? I presume extremely well with no problems, I haven't got time to check right now

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Why did you think it was working well with no problems?

Literally the first human-cpu interface?

You hecka optimistic.

I mean, it's pretty crazy how well the design did work considering it's the first of its kind.

The latest thing I saw, a bunch of the wires are becoming detached from the very first prototype, which of course is being worked into the subsequent models.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

@Varyk @pikesley

Not the first, actually a late entrant.

I worked in a lab using implanted brain-computer interfaces 14 years ago.

Other labs using the same system had monkeys controlling robot arms, and a human controlling a computer.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Literally the first human-cpu interface?

I wish I had the confidence of a techbro who thinks any of the BCI tech in neuralink is new and isn’t just a set of techniques that have existed for decades and have a shitty track record

the only thing neuralink seems to add is wireless control, which doesn’t work, partially due to impossible bandwidth and compression requirements, but mostly because it’s a project driven by Musk’s whims

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

partially due to impossible bandwidth and compression requirements

It still amazes me they publicly posted a request for help with these compression req which are physically impossible to achieve. Nobody with a CS degree is anybody near the leadership of neuralink. In other words, you are downplaying how impossible the requirements were.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

you do not have much medical knowledge, do you?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

@Varyk oh wait so it *doesn't* work? But it's still a good idea to attach it to your brain?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I do subscribe to his ideas that technological growth is not currently exponential but logarhytmically.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Hey wanna get in on the ground floor of my new cryptocurrency offer? You seem like just the person we are looking for.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

They corrected it and made it even dumber, tech growth is steeper than exponential growth.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

I misspelled the word I wasn't trying to use

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

you can unsubscribe. that's allowed.

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