Nuclear isn't perfect, but it is the best we have right now. : memes

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

stop shilling for industry, bootlicker

[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Actually, the industry is fully investing in wind and solar and wouldn't touch nuclear with a long pole, because excessively expensive.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (11 children)

In case of Germany, they'd quite literally fire up coal over nuclear. Like holy shit...

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[+] [email protected] -7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What? Do you live in the 1950s? Have you heard of nuclear accidents? How many people did wind and solar energy kill so far?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_accidents_by_country

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Yep, I'm also afraid of taking airplanes because a handful of them have crashed. But per TWh produced, nuclear is statistically the safest method... just like that it's statistically safer to fly across the country than to drive there, but I'm too scared for that :/

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (11 children)

If you want the answer, here's the data. Solar is slightly safer than Nuclear, Nuclear is slightly safer than Wind. The three are WAY safer than fossil fuels.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-energy-production-per-twh

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago (12 children)

Did we ever figure out toxic waste disposal?

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 months ago (15 children)

I'm pro nuke energy but to pretend there are no downsides is what got us into the climate mess we are in in the first place.

Cost, being a major drawback, space being another. And of course while they almost never fail, they do occasionally, and will again. And those failures are utterly catastrophic, and it'd hard to convince a community to welcome a nuclear plant, and if the community doesn't want it then it can't or shouldn't be forced onto them.

They also represent tactical strike sites in time of combat engagement. Big red X for a missile.

There are also significant environmental concerns, as we really have no good way to dispose of nuclear waste in a safe or efficient manner at this time.

It's likely that nuclear based energy is the future, but you need to discuss the bad with the good here or we are just going to end up at square one again. There are long term ramifications.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Worth noting that all modern failures have been GE models or ancient Westinghouse models. Modern nuclear reactors built by Westinghouse are virtually immune from meltdown, and Westinghouse is the lead player in new builds. Nuclear safety has come miles since the like of Fukushima, and especially 3 Mile Island. I'd feel perfectly safe living near a new Westinghouse nuclear plant.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'd rather a nuclear plant as my neighbor rather than a coal or natural gas one.

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 6 months ago (12 children)

There are downsides to nuclear these days. Incredibly high cost with a massive delay before they're functioning. Solar + wind + pumped hydro + district heating is where it's at in 2024.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 6 months ago (4 children)

This.

Also, tie together more countries' power grids to even out production and demand of renewables, and reduce the need for other backup sources.

For a fraction of the cost of nuclear, increase the storage capacity as well. We've had days where the price per MWh was negative in many hours, because of excess production.

The barriers to carbon free energy aren't technical, they're purely political.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (17 children)

Yeah, back in 2010 and before nuclear was the way to go but with the incredible advancements in solar and wind it's no longer the best option.

Still shame on Germany for decommissioning nuclear reactors and deciding to build Nordstream 2 and burn coal as a replacement.

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