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I have tried Linux as a DD on and off for years but about a year ago I decided to commit to it no matter the cost. First with Mint, then Ubuntu and a few others sprinkled in briefly. Both are "mainstream" "beginner friendly" distros, right? I don't want anything too advanced, right?

Well, ubuntu recently updated and it broke my second monitor (Ubuntu detected it but the monitor had "no signal"). After trying to fix it for a week, I decided to wipe it and reinstall. No luck. I tried a few other distros that had the same issue and I started to wonder if it was a hardware issue but I tried a Windows PC and the monitor worked no problem.

Finally, just to see what would happen I tried a distro very very different than what I'm used to: Fedora (Kinoite). And not only did everything "just work" flawlessly, but it's so much faster and more polished than I ever knew Linux to be!

Credit where it's due, a lot of the polish is due to KDE plasma. I'd never strayed from Gnome because I'm not an expert and people recommend GNOME to Linux newbies because it's "simple" and "customizable" but WOW is KDE SO MUCH SIMPLER AND STILL CUSTOMIZEABLE. Gnome is only "simple" in that it doesn't allow you to do much via the GUI. With Fedora Kinode I think I needed to use the terminal maybe once during setup? With other distros I was constantly needed to use the terminal (yes its helped me learn Linux but that curve is STEEP).

The atomic updates are fantastic too. I have not crashed once in the two weeks of setup whereas before I would have a crash maybe 1-2 times per week.

I am FULLY prepared for the responses demanding to know what I did to make it crash and telling me how I was using it wrong blah blah blah but let me tell you, if you are experienced with Windows but want to learn Linux and getting frustrated by all the "beginner" distros that get recommended, do yourself a favor and try Fedora Kinoite!

edit: i am DYING at the number of "you're using it wrong" comments here. never change people.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago

When the time came to pick which boring old man distro to use, the people who picked and would recommend fedora all got jobs supporting rhel. They don’t have time or energy to devote to computer touching when they get home from their serious business jobs making sure the computer keeps increasing shareholder value.

Fedora is very good.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Atomic Fedora, like Fedora Kinoite is probably the most noob friendly. Impossible to break.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (2 children)

People generally recommend Debian-based distributions because they tend to be more popular, have more applications designed first and foremost to work on them, and tend to have the most community support because they are more popular.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

When I started learning Linux years ago when I studied IT I was actually taught UNIX but the first Linux distro I was exposed to was Red Hat back in school around 2000. Fedora was derived from that and for a while I was more familiar with that. However with the popularity of Debian and Ubuntu, it seems most of the instructions out there are geared around that so I'm now pretty much just sticking with Debian.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I do, Fedora is simply the best and meets the most use cases. It combines good privacy and security out of the box with a clean UI (at least with Workstation and KDE spin) while having a package manager that's easy to learn and easy access to Flathub and up-to-date apps (can't stress this enough, even windows and Mac keep apps up to date and don't hold them back for the sake of LTS (sorry Workstation Debian fans). It also brings in newer and better technologies without breaking almost anything (at least for me).

This is just my opinion though, I know people like to reccomend Mint but I personally do not like it, and despise it's desktop options (I am one of the people that do not and never have liked Cinnamon).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I decided the nuclear option using mint with kde plasma 5

Well I did switch to opensuse tumbleweed, liked kde plasma a lot so while setting up weekly backups, I ended up... uh... "overwriting" it and my last external backup was a month old mint backup, so to not set things up again I just install kde on mint and said F it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because distros from the Debian family are more popular, any random help article aimed at beginners is likely to assume one of those distros. (If you know how to map from apt to rpm, you're probably not a beginner.) Plus, I don't trust Red Hat, who have a strong influence on Fedora.

(Note that I don't generally recommend my own distro—Gentoo—to newcomers either, unless they have specific needs best served by it.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Not implying anything, but why don't you trust Red Hat? Because they're a big company, or because of some other reason?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

I do. Nobara specifically since it has the non-free repos and codecs by default, and a bunch of tweaks for gaming and editing already set up or easily added in the Welcome app.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Here's the deal, most people from yesterdays started on Ubuntu or something similar. So, they suggest what worked for them. I just moved my wife away from Windows and straight into Fedora, I haven't had to help her on anything other than once she could not find the printer (it's on another VLAN and she was not connected to it 🙄). She is loving it and just last night told me, and I quote, "I should have changed sooner".

Fedora just works, but another factor may be that Debian and Ubuntu based distros are LTS what le Fedora is more semi-rolling, this helps with stability, thus it makes sense to suggest something with less probability of breaking suddenly than something they may need to roll back.

As for atomic distros, YMMV. I find them sluggish during install, boot and when starting an app for the first time, and in my case, broken after a few updates (would not work on Wayland forcing me to log in over X11).

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The atomic updates are fantastic too. I have not crashed once in the two weeks of setup whereas before I would have a crash maybe 1-2 times per week.

I think I crashed it less than 10 times in 2 years of usage.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't recommend fedora plain, but the ublue atomic spins are great. Really solid lots of choices (use case, DE, hardware...) personally I use bazzite on the desktop and aurora on the laptop.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Yes, this is my go to nowadays for all my family and friends. Atomic makes it harder for them to break it and everything just works out of the box.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Because it can't hibernate? (But then, not sure which distros can.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That has not been the case anymore for months. We have 3 different Fedora Workstation 40 computers/laptops and 1 Nobara laptop, and they all sleep and hibernate just fine, and wake up just as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ok.

It's not an option out if the box for me on Fedora 40 but maybe it's because I started on 39 and upgraded later.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

On my Fedora KDE install on 40, hibernate is now an available power option. The install has been in upgrade cycles since 35 at this point. I would imagine that barring different DEs showing different power options being a possibility, it is more on detecting hardware compatibility for functional hibernation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Since Fedora 37 I had issues waking up from sleep and hibernation only on my laptop with an NVIDIA card, never on my 2 Ryzen PCs.

Since Fedora 40 it works everywhere now. I've always been on Gnome, so that could be a factor as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I run Bazzite, which is Fedora Atomic, that hibernates just fine. In fact, so far it's the only one that does. Arch and Mint both would never come back from sleep.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Been running bazzite for about a month and.ooving it but, for me, it does not wake from sleep ever. Easily the most frustrating thing about switching to Linux so far

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I do recommend Fedora. It's what I started on (besides tails) and after a couple years I've moved to FedoraKDE.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I tried it, but Firefox didn't play some videos. As it turns out, it was an issue with non open source codecs. I'm not helping anyone navigate those issues, I'd rather point them out to a ready to go kind of distribution.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As a daily Fedora user, this is annoying. I totally support the push for open-source, but enabling RPM Fusion on new installs to do standard stuff is a royal pain in the butt that will immediately turn off new users.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

There are several things like that in Fedora, which is already a good reason not to recommend it to first timers. They most likely won't know or care about nonfree codecs, they will just see a broken machine. Linux Mint understands that as a use case and has a "magic make it work" checkbox during install.

That all being said, I run Nobara and love it, but i wouldn't recommend it for new people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I just tell them to google first thing to do after installing Fedora and say "follow the guide except 'fastest mirror' just ignore." Hasn't failed anyone yet, and since I didn't have anyone to help me it is what I did when I was new, except I've learned the fastest mirror part since then, so I pass along that knowledge.

Actually I think I may try and write up a script that'll do all this for them, and make it even easier. I already have like half of it in my "new install" script but they don't need all my packages.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Its not a good noob distro. Its a test bed development distro. There are going to be things in Fedora that are broken on account of those things being in development. I believe there's a rolling release now which improves the lack of long term releases, but for a long time trying to auto upgrade between point releases was a fast track to the very worst time of your life.

Then there's the question of whether or not its association with Redhat and IBM makes it a safe choice long term given that they've gone full hostile. I just don't see the benefit to going with Fedora as a noob instead of something designed for noobs like LMDE

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