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Halloween has its pumpkin pie. XMas has its candy canes. Thanksgiving has its turkey. Da Yoopers have der pasties doncha knows?

Since when do homosexuals have a holiday with an established food? Wouldn't a fruit cake have fit better?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

To the surprise of absolutely nobody, I'm closing the comments on this thread.

It's a rainbow colored potion wishing people a happy pride, it is as similarly inoffensive as any of the other holiday items, and will be gone in a few days. Obviously not everyone celebrates such a holiday, and that's fine, but If pride existing in the game offends you but halloween/christmas/chinese new years doesn't, then you should consider why that is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As far as I see it, the issue people have is that, like it or not, this is a sensitive topic and probably shouldn't be present in a game that has nothing to do with such topics. I understand that sentiment, but at the end of the day, the dev can do whatever they want with the game. That being said, people are justified in voicing concern or frustration with this change (discussing gameplay decisions is one of the reasons this community exists), given it is done so in a non-destructive way. Don't get mad at people for disagreeing with you, but also understand that everyone on here is a person too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Well said. Thank you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

There's only one fruit cake here and it posted this crap.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wtf is this post and these comments? It's a rainbow potion that does almost nothing, in a roguelike game full of hundreds of random items. I thought Lemmy(world) was a fairly progressive space. "Fruit cake" are you assholes fucking serious right now?

They obviously need to add a clear potion of "Cishet Tears" that permanently enrages one seemingly normal NPC.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't that that the words "fucking" and "assholes" belongs in a homosexual topic 😜

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Thats crazy bro 💀

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Any time one introduces a religious element into a none religious matter, it becomes a volitile topic. Same with sports and politics. Hence why the Book of Etiquette centuries ago decreed those 3 topics poor manors for public debate.

Taking a highly contoversial subject such as homosexuality and lumping it in with holiday meal/foods is, IMHO, an invitation to disputes unrelated to the game. I'm neither saying I am for or against the subject of homosexuality, merely that private matters should be kept private, and, that it does not follow suit with the changing of holiday foods in the game.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You don't hold hands in public? You've never gently kissed an SO in public? Does everyone around you think "Oh my god, those people are probably having sex." No, because it's perfectly accepted for a man and woman to hold hands or kiss in public. Gays should have that level of acceptance, too. But they don't because people like you are saying they should have no pride in their relationships.

That's all pride is. Being yourself and not hiding in a closet. And it applies to the transgendered, gender queers, asexual, and the whole rainbow.

"ThOsE tHiNgS sHoUld be kEpT PrIvaTe"

This is why we need pride month! To let people know it's OK to be queer and not hide in a closet. People like you are why we need pride to be a thing. A very-out-in-the-open thing. You need constant reminders until you fully understand what a fight it's been—and still is—for acceptance. Acceptance won't come from hiding away. It demands people stand proud.

That's what pride means! So anyone can feel OK holding hands in public or simply existing! It has nothing to do with sex or anything private.

Be better.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Pride encompasses more than just homosexuality. There's a wide range sexuality that is there to be acknowledged and celebrated. Especially in the face of so much hate that is rampant today. It's strange that there is such a focus on "homosexuality" in particular.

The way you talk about etiquette and that homosexuality should be a thing not discussed in public is also concerning. Sweeping up all the people that Pride represents under a rug doesn't make the real and dangerous threat these people face magically disappear.

In order to us as a species on this planet to collectively move forward, we must be able to talk about difficult topics. If we shut our eyes, ears and minds to difficult topics, refusing to acknowledge past and current horrors and deny existence and freedom, we will never be able to move forward as we repeat history over and over and over again.

Sexuality, and by extension, the right to express one's self freely and safely is a positive and encouraging step forward that has the power to uplift and benefit everyone, not just those who celebrate Pride.

By ignoring these people, and any other specific groups of people, we derail our chance to learn and understand ourselves and the world around us. We will only end up repeating history until we can't record history any longer.

If something as simple as a rainbow potion is that upsetting, the game is open sourced and you can remove it yourself. The other option that I usually take when I disagree with a developer is to stop giving them my attention and money. I can't be upset if I don't subject myself to their artistic creations.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Wonderful. An intelectual response. You are not wrong in your assertion.

I applied the one most common factor. There was no intent to ignore nor dismiss the rest with a singular focus.

I have merely raised the most prominent question as posted by others.

The term pride can be applied to ones work, family, country. In this however, Pride combined with Rainbow is about LBGT (and however many other letters of the alphabet are now being used to describe "Pride").

This is NOT a debate or even definition to which I care to debate nor should it be debated in this forum as it has been a point of contention for thousands of years and is still not resolved. Rather, the matter is, should it be a part of an game that is played internationally, lumped with religion, et cetera? I know of several people who refused to play simply due to the inclusion of an Anch in the game. A pity really as the items are not portrayed in a truly religious sense. Would more people play if all religious items were removed? Likely yes. Would it be in keeping with the Rogue-like history? Absolutely not. People haven't argued largely over the choice of holiday foods, then again, some have. A rainbow potion supporting "Pride" however is neigther holiday nor a holiday food, it is a political statement of support. That is where the controvery lies, not in the subject of Pride.

No, ignoring fear and hate mongering does not make it go away. But do we really want to address "Pride" in this game, where not only will the matter not go away, as this thread clearly demonstrates, it adds fuel to the fire.

True, developers can opt to change things, and many do just that. I however like SPD moreso than any other PD.

Don't get me wrong, I'll still play. It is merely a concern raised, a Pandora's box if you will, to be addressed. How it is addressed is up to the developer. He may change it, or, leave it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Any time one introduces a religious element into a none religious matter

Speaking of which — were the previous religious holiday-based meals inserted into a non-religious game ever a big subject of discussion? Otherwise, I guess you're wrong here.

I'm neither saying I am for or against the subject of homosexuality,

Great. 10+% of humanity feel a weight lifted off their shoulders right now.

merely that private matters should be kept private

I guess your parents never made their relationship public either, right?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

**Trolling remarks like this will not be addressed.

As this is a highly controversial matter, and I am not the first to broach it, and deleting this post would not address it, I have invited Even-00 to examine this thread and make a decision. **

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

I wrote a serious-enough answer with counterarguments after you complained that your (terrible) arguments weren't taken seriously and you call me a troll?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's only "highly controversial" if you're a dipshit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There you have it, the modern higher education exerting itself without thought, without grace, without class, without objective debating skills. How could I ever compete with such a whitty retort as that except to say, if ignorance is bliss then you must be the happiest person alive.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

PRITHEE, TO WHERE HATH THE YOUTH'S GRACE AND CLASS ABSCONDED? 😭😭😭😭

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Yeah, could have used a fruit cake. The author also could have added a baby Jesus snack human for Christmas. Similar level of disrespect.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't think "potion" counts as "an established food"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Every june I eat my rainbow potion, what are you talking about

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Shattered pd went woke