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Battery electric vehicles lose their spark in Europe as hybrids steal the show (www.theregister.com)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It seems to be a misleading title.

It mentions a European associations data but then they only point to the German Market, that Germans are cooling on electric.

I see no numbers for that being the case in say in Denmark where I live, where even people with hybrids are switching to electric due to legislation placing hybrids in the same category as CE cars. No body here is "cooling on electric" and we have a much higher rate of adoption than Germany, easily veried by a small trip over the border.

Europeans are not cooling on electric, maybe Germans are, but Germans are Europes "Murica" when it comes to cars. They require huge German SUVs with a minimum speed of 200 kmh on the autobahn...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also isnt is because subsides on electric cars ended so either A everyone bought while you could get them cheaper so the demand has fallen of B they are more expensive so naturaly pepole are picking cheaper car. It doesnt really matter if car will save you 30000 thousands euro throught it lifetime on fuel if you dont have 30000 more to spend.

Ultimately we will see in a year whetewer electric cars just went to its natural equlibrium without subsidies and its share will continue to rise once again or its an actual trend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Not sure what you mean :)

My point was that the article was making false assumptions about Europeans are cooling on EVs as a whole based on one dataset which cherry picked Germany.

I will make a few assumptions of my own based on what I see: 1: Germany Auto industry have been show to make good EVS, they do huge hybrids 2: Germany have a culture of huge German SUV and Sedan cars (much like macho culture of Americans with trucks). 3: Germans love buying German cars 4: Germany subsidies it's own cars more than imported cars (whatever the fuel type)

All that I would think would have a much higher effect on German buying trends than whatever EV vs CE vs Hybrid debate they try to pin the data on.

Again they have to show me legit data across Europe if you wanna show "a trend" in Europe, not one country which have a huge vested interest in not adopting imported EVs which are better/cheaper than their German counterparts.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Hybrids: the worst of both worlds.

If you want to keep relying on gasoline then just buy an ICE car

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Hybrids: the worst of both worlds.

If you want to keep relying on gasoline then just buy an ICE car

Maybe I can use a hydrid: short trip (to the train station/mall/small affairs in the vicinity) go in electric, longer trip use gasoline.

Not everyone has a charging station at home and in many places you cannot install it, be because forbidden by some old laws or because there is not the physical option.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

In the US they're the best of both worlds, especially if you get a plugin electric car. Charging infrastructure sucks for longer trips (fast charging is often broken or missing), and Americans like longer trips, so gas is preferred. But around town, it's nice to not need to fill up.

That may not be the case in Europe, idk.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Where I am the charging infrastructure is terrible and electricity prices are bad. I was considering a hybrid but I guess if it's no better I'll just grab a regular ICE

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

More than the charging infrastructure it is the city infrastructure: when you have condos built without any planning 50 or more years ago, even if you pass a law that every home need to have a charging station in these condos it is physically impossible to do it. Charging infrastructure comes after you solve the problem where to put 70 or more charging station for every condo in the district.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

It's sort of a flawed opinion. If you're never charging at home and doing a lot of driving, a hybrid won't make much difference and might cost more. If you're conscientious about charging when you can and mostly drive within range of your battery's capacity, it can be almost as effective as full electric. Stats indicate most PHEV owners use the the same way you would use an ICE, car, which is more expensive and a bit of a waste.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s infrastructure. Too inconvenient to find a spot to charge, the apartments where you live probably don’t have chargers, your workplace doesn’t either…

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

In France installing a charger in appartement building is mandatory if the resident asks for it, even if they're renting.

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