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Hamas Wants Guarantees Ceasefire Will Actually Happen, While US Says Hamas Is Rejecting the Proposal (truthout.org)
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Following the UN Security Council vote to approve a three-phase ceasefire in Gaza, U.S. officials and other international allies of Israel are cynically placing blame on Hamas for a stall in current ceasefire negotiations — even as Israel has insisted on indefinitely continuing its massacre in Gaza and Hamas has said its main request is a guarantee that Israel would actually honor the ceasefire.

But reports from a wide variety of news sources on how both Israel and Hamas are approaching the ceasefire proposal suggest that Blinken is lying about which party is accepting of the deal. Indeed, reports have found that it is actually Israel that won’t agree to the deal’s framework: an immediate ceasefire with a limited prisoner and hostage exchange, then a permanent ceasefire and withdrawal of Israeli troops from Gaza, and ultimately the reconstruction of Gaza and return of Palestinians to their homes.

Israel’s insistence on continuing its genocide has been consistent throughout the last eight months, including in reaction to the most recent ceasefire proposals of the past weeks. Officials have said Israel will only stop bombarding Gaza when they decide that Hamas has been eliminated and Palestinians there no longer pose a threat to Israel — a pledge that requires the mass slaughter of Palestinian civilians, as military procedures and Israel’s own public statements have shown.

But the main demand from Hamas appears to be straightforward, according to other officials familiar with the negotiations. Multiple outlets citing such sources have echoed what Hamas officials have said: that they are primarily concerned with getting guarantees from the U.S. and Israel that the deal will actually lead to a ceasefire and withdrawal from Gaza.

Specifically, Hamas is concerned about a lack of assurances from the current proposal about the transition between the first and second phases of the plan, Reuters reports, citing multiple sources involved with the talks. The first phase involves a six-week ceasefire, with the release of some Israeli hostages, while the second phase calls for a permanent ceasefire and Israeli troop withdrawal.

Archived version: https://archive.ph/vNwMx

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

“Look at these bad faith negotiators who won’t even accept our empty promises.”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

The Biden Administration is happily an active Israeli Hasbara propagandist.

The second most sad things in all this situation (after what's happening to Palestinians) is how the upcoming US election is turns out to be between Administration openly supporting "quasi-Nazis" because of their ethnicity and even spreading Himmler-style propaganda and Fascists.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Guys, this war is not going to end before the US election, stop pretending: bibi and his fascist buddies want to get trump into the presidency so they can do whatever they want. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905

hamas thinks that more victims means more support for them and they are never going to surrender or hand over the hostages. https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/gaza-chiefs-brutal-calculation-civilian-bloodshed-will-help-hamas-626720e7

PS: The disagreement in the negotiation is the ambiguity on the permanence of the cease fire: hamas wants guarantees that the war will not continue in the future. Biden is not in a position to give or force that guarantee if he loses. Israel does not want such a guarantee, because they think they can eventually exterminate hamas faster than the suffering of palestinians radicalizes new militants.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Netanyahu is already getting whatever he wants under Biden. Consider telling Biden to stop supporting the Genocide if you believe Netanyahu needs Trump for it.

And Hamas has already agreed to a permanent ceasefire in exchange for the hostages. It's what this article is about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Side note:

It's apparent that the U.S. has invested into this war beyond just funding / weapons. In the recent massacre, there were reports from Palestinians that U.S. soldiers were presently injuring and killing people. It appears that Hamas was right all along regarding that aid dock/pier. It wasn't for aid.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is propaganda designed to justify an attack on the pier. If the pier is attacked, Palestinians will starve. Hamas wants Palestinians to starve to gain more sympathy (and donation $$$) from abroad.

I mean come on, do you think the IDF lacks special forces capabilities to the degree they'd need to bring in US special forces to help them? And even if they did, why would the US launch a special forces operation from a pier instead of simply flying a helicopter from an aircraft carrier? Or just tagging along with the IDF from an Israeli base? Why would they ever use the pier for this purpose?

Hamas is spreading obvious propaganda which falls apart with even two seconds of critical thinking. This is the kind of shit that could result in Palestinians starving, if you care at all about the people there, don't spread obvious lies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Wat. If Hamas wanted Palestinians to starve.. then why is it the Israelis that were stopping aid trucks and destroying the aid packages? Why wasn't Hamas destroying the aid trucks?

For one, Israel is the leading global recipient of Title 22 U.S. security assistance under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program.

There's multiple reports stating that the naval pier constructed by US forces on Gaza's shore was used in the attack on the Nuseirat, with ground forces launching from this pier. And witnesses reporting that U.S. soldiers breeching homes/buildings during the attack.

You claim that Hamas spreads "obvious" propaganda, yet it is Israel who has pushed the most atrocious propaganda and all of it was a lie, all of it. And the U.S. government is just as complicit, especially for trying to take down TikTok, trying to push the anti-semitism bill/law in the U.S., violating our first amendment right, outlawing BDS in some of the states in the U.S., again violating our first amendment right (that's three acts of treason against the U.S. Constitution) and each congressman/woman, at least on the republican side, having AIPAC handlers. Each one apparently has an assigned Israeli whispering into the ears of our representatives.

Btw, seems like Netanyahu was right, Americans are easy to control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKRFGS_Woww

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

You're trying to distract from the facts at hand. US installs a pier to bring in aid. Hamas spreads obvious propaganda about the pier being for special forces operations. Which is completely insane (special forces don't need a pier!) but people are buying it.

Why would Hamas spread this propaganda? Probably just generic "US bad" kind of thing. But we can't dismiss the possibility they want images of people starving for propaganda purposes.

I mean if you're buying the propaganda that the pier isn't for humanitarian purposes then they can attack the pier and get images of people starving and you will blame the US and Israel for those images and won't consider that Hamas might be to blame for it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Through the pier, the US can pretend to be aid. Tbh, it sounds like something they would do.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Do you think it's pretend trucks carrying pretend food from that pier?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Uh huh. Un security is dubious at best anyway

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Better than a violent occupying force

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I’m pro-palestine as fuck. But can’t we have a higher standard for sourcing please.

https://adfontesmedia.com/truthout-bias-and-reliability/

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's no surprise Truthout is biased towards Palestinian Human Rights, but they are certainly more credible than Ad Fontes or MBFC suggests. If you look at the few articles that Ad Fontes shows as 'low credibility' you can see that the articles are well sourced and quoted. If you look at MBFC, they are rated as 'Mixed' on factual reporting despite no Articles failing a fact check.

Although Truthout has not failed a fact check by an IFCN fact checker, they have reported some stories that were not factual. For example, a reporter claimed that Karl Rove was indicted on charges when in fact, he wasn’t. The reporter continued to claim without evidence. See the link here. Although this is only one example, it shows that this source should be checked when in doubt.

Overall, we rate Truthout strongly Left Biased based on story selection and political positions that favor the left. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to publishing a false story and promoting anti-GMO propaganda. (5/15/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 12/01/2022)

The article listed here links to a broken Truthout link, with the article author being Jason Leopold. I'm not sure about the article since I can't see it, but he has other articles here until 2013.

No failed fact checks for anything Palestine related. The one other article mentioned you can find here listed as an Op-Ed. Written by Robert Schooler in 2016, and the only article on Truthout written by him.

That's certainly not enough for me to write off the entire news outlet. Neither of these people are the ones writing these articles about what is happening in Gaza. If you find info in the article you think may not be factual, let me know.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You take credibility advice from an organization that proudly identifies itself as right of CBS News and The Weather Channel?

Isn't that a little bit biased?

If you think the article is lying, say so. Don't hide behind the 'impartiality' grift.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Sorry what?

They rate CBS News and weather channel as “middle” and “reliable”.

Ad fontes media are by no means perfect, but they are generally the best in the field. Unlike some of their competitors they don’t rate Reuters and AP as left wing lol.

Obviously reliability and bias are subjective — as is everything in the social sciences. But that doesn’t mean attempting to quanify it is not useful. It’s subjective to quantify democracy for example but the economists democracy index is useful — or the Human development index etc.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Adfontes rates NYT, a Zionist propaganda outlet, as reliable. So your "rating bureau" is pretty worthless.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

AFAIK the Economist's Democracy Index and the Human Development Index use methodologies and statistical methods generally respected by social science.

Ad Fontes is a grift posing as a public interest institution to re-package the horseshoe theory and sell it back to gullible people for $500 memberships while promising institutions greater ad revenue if they play along with the con. It's another tool of the consent manufacturing industrial complex. Are you even aware of their methodology? It's a joke.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

First day on Lemmy?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

first month — yes haha.

sourcing is still better here than reddit though

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