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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Of course. Shouldn't need to be said, but here we are

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

As I keep saying.

If you accuse those against Israel as being antisemitic, you're gonna make more of them actually antisemitic

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We don't stand for this, the bottom picture are 2 graffiti made by people who we don't know, or when they were made, and 2 protestors with anti-Israel posters, not anti-Semitic. The wide movement of protests are absolutely not anti-Semitic, and you trying to post shit like this conflating anti-zionism with anti-Semitism is disgusting

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The star of David makes the posters ambiguous they could refer to either Israel or Jews. The grafitti in the images is explicitly antisemitic. Splitting hairs over this is pretty gross imo. I don't like crticiism of Israel being called antisemitic, but that doesn't make antisemitism suddenly ok

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Dude, nobody is saying the graffiti is not anti-Semitic, it literally says "kill the jews", how on earth would that not be antisemitic. I'm saying they're putting the graffiti on top of protestors in an obvious attempt to conflate antizionist protests with antisemitism

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's not hard to distinguish between Jews and Israel. Those words I just used do the job. The protestors could do the same

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

In both signs, you can clearly see it's the flag of Israel because of the blue stripes on top and bottom.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

.. And are you REALLY saying that the "final solution" phrase in this context doesn't seem just a tad antisemitic? Look, I'm opposed to Israels actions but I think you're being willfully blind

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People have attacked synagogs for Israel's actions because of the star of David. People conflated the two. It would be great if people did nuance. They do not

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, some people have done that shit. I'm not arguing "there's no antisemitism anymore", that would be ridiculous, and antisemitism sucks. What sucks too is using antisemitism broadly to accuse non-antisemitic but anti-zionist protests against genocide in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I agree. But I think it behoves people protesting against Israel to be very clear on that point and using the star of David and phrases like "the final solution" is the very opposite of that. To me, that looks pretty antisemitic. I say that as an atheist who detests the actions of the Israeli state and who has been pro Palestinian for decades. Bottom line, hatred of any group is appalling and people need to be clear that's not what they're doing

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Jews should not be faced with Antisemitism

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I feel like the "keep the world clean" is a really badly drawn israeli flag where it looks more like the star of david than the israeli flag. Rest is just disgusting antisemitism

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

Are you implying there are people who didn't stand for the first image and might stand for the second?

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