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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

You want us to stop poisoning the world? But that's too hard! I don't wanna! It's too much work! You can't make me!

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Utilities have also challenged the stringent new standard, questioning the underlying science and citing the cost of filtering the toxic chemicals out of drinking water.

I'm glad I'm on a well

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Unless your well is drawing from an uncontaminated aquifer that isn't recharged by rainwater, that doesn't really help you. This class of chemicals wound up pretty much everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

I was referring to the utilities response not the pollution itself. You're not wrong.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It sounds like their only argument is “it’s expensive”, which I find somewhat comforting because then it sounds like they at least agree with the science.

It’s a shame lawmakers don’t put stipulations in that they cannot trickle down those costs to the consumers. It’s not our fault, and we shouldn’t be put in a damned if you do and damned if you don’t position.

Can we form a class-action lawsuit to sue anybody who raises our rates over this? Legit question.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That's because these Big Corporations will LITERALLY do the Right Thing without ANY Government intervention or Regulations! CHECKMATE COMMUNISTS!

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They had decades to prepare their legal team for this. I don’t expect them to just roll over and accept responsibility.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The fact that they're leaning on the "arbitrary and capricious" argument means that they don't have another grounded legal theory for why it's an exceedance of EPA's authority. They're throwing A&C at the wall to see if it sticks because the alternative is willingly take on a liability that's going to potentially peek into the billions of dollars. It's a hail mary, plain and simple.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There's no way this one ends up being only billions; they literally coated the entire surface of the ocean.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah it's potentially a much higher cost, depending on how class-action lawsuits play out, but that study doesn't necessarily say it's coating the surface of the ocean. It's diluted into the ocean itself, and because it likes to stick to foam it tends to accumulate at higher concentrations close to the surface. That study is documenting that air particles have a much higher concentration than what's typically seen diluted in sea water, so it's essentially congregating in the air-water interface zone.

But yes, your point is well taken that they're facing catastrophic liability costs from a combination of past health impacts and future cleanup/removal.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That’s somewhat reassuring. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

Yeah it's pretty squarely in their wheelhouse.

Does it do the following?

  • the contaminant may have an adverse effect on the health of persons;

  • the contaminant is known to occur or there is a substantial likelihood that the contaminant will occur in public water systems with a frequency and at levels of public health concern; and

  • in the sole judgment of the Administrator, regulation of such contaminant presents a meaningful opportunity for health risk reduction for persons served by public water systems.

If so, then:

  • the Administrator shall publish maximum contaminant level goals and promulgate, by rule, national primary drinking water regulations under this subsection.

Wham, bam, thank you ma'am.

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[–] [email protected] 210 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Stop forbidding us to poison poor people!"

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