As I've said before, G&T when you're young means MANY G&T's when you're older.
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second place or (second region from peak) is apparently a hard place to be.
in alternate mindsets, it's all fine -- you are what defines you.
Oh, man, somebody actually thinks the "excellence" part of the curve isn't plagued by things like how much easier is to spot all the ways things can cause problems down the causality chain (guess what, when it's easy and natural to, for every action being considered, see 3 or more links down the chain of possible consequences, one always finds risks and negatives) and associated tendency for paralysis by analysis or simply the being quite abnormal compared to most people.
In my experience the perfect spot of the curve when it comes to felling good about oneself in this one human characteristic is to be what I call an "entry level genious" - a barelly into the genious IQ, just about intelligent enough to feel more intelligent than th majority of people one encounters but not so intelligent one is aware of the limits of intelligence and how little even genious adds to one's overall capabilities (and example of this would be Elon Musk), or in other words, on what is pretty much the peak Dunning-Krugger point of Intelligence.
(All the best salesperson types I've worked with were at that sweet-spot: intelligent enough to find it easier to outsmart most people and have high self-confidence but not enough to understand the potential problems and limitations of what they're selling)
I understand the allure of grass being greener on other side but I think you're simply buying the image that salespeople selling/projecting.
It's not even expensive skill to learn: it takes few months of training to learn how to project "entry level genius" vibe but once you dig in there you'll see the edges of hologram.
If you think salespeople are actually successful ones, sales dept is always hiring 😉... I wonder why 😳
I'm thinking more Startup Founders and highly specialized Tech salespeople, rather than run-of-the-mill salespersons.
People with a grifter kind of personality is maybe a better way to describe the kind of people I mean.
The best do think of themselves as highly capable and competent because the best seller there is absolutelly believes in what they're pitching - it's smilar to how in Theatre, the best acting involves the actors literally feeling as if that situation was trully happenning to them.
IMHO the best way to deceive others is to first deceive yourself (though what I've seen more commonly done is avoiding knowing too much about something and in too much detail so that one is not even aware of the risks and pitfalls and only knows the positives) because of how amazingly truthfull that makes one sound.
I get what you're saying however ... what you're describing is simply advanced people skills i.e. learnable, practicable ways to interact with others -- yes, even loose moral core is part of it
If you think that this is actually what drives excellence, I urge you to take volunteer gig at charity nonprofit where they will teach you how to properly harass people into giving you money
I never said it was excellence, I said it was being a good salesman: never stated that I think salesmanship is some kind of great human quality, or that it is at all a quality or even that it has any kind of moral value positive or negative.
It was never a value statement about salesmanship as a human practice, it was simply an observation about how in my opinion human intelligence relates to proeficiency in that practice.
I think you unwittingly used the context of Society around you and what it tells you are great qualities, to fill the gaps in what I wrote and hence drew moral conclusions from it rather than from my statements which did not at all include a moral judgment.
Further, the possibility that I somehow "leaked" my opinion on it from a moral standpoint is inconsistent with how, personally, I don't even have a positive opinion about salesmanship in moral terms, though I recognize the rewards it can bring in present day society to be good at it and appreciate a good salesman with the same kind moral-detached respect for expertise as I would appreciate a good conman or a good thief - whether one agrees or disagrees with that kind of job, one cannot but appreciate the smooth elegance of mastery in a complex domain. I can hardly "leak" a positive moral opinion when my opinion on that practice is neutral or slightly below neutral.
(Also, I couldn't care less about what present day Society tells us are great human qualities, except perhaps that, having to live in it, I have to navigate that crap just like everybody else).
The green part only exists in a dreamer's mind, it's blue all the way
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The awwwwtism range
i mean, "gifted" is basically doublespeak for "on the neurodivergence spectrum" and society just fucking hates neurodivergent people.
It's not really that we're aware of our deficiencies, it's that society makes us feel bad for things that are completely natural and should be viewed as sidegrades mostly.
I don't follow this at all.
My son is in the gifted program. He is also one of the most socially intelligent people I've ever met. Makes friends easily, is a natural leader, shows kindness and acceptance towards all people, and adults frequently comment to me how mature he is when interacting with them. He is well accepted by society and moves around in it with ease.
I also think you're missing the point. Are you familiar with the dunning Kruger effect? It's the idea that smart people are better at recognizing their own shortcomings because they are smart, and less intelligent people aren't smart enough to realize all of their shortcomings.
Hi! Assuming that neurodivergent people can't be socially intelligent is kind of offensive, neurodivergence is a wide spectrum and it manifests differently for everyone.
Also, just because someone seems good at something doesn't mean it's not a massive effort for them, read up about masking :)
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Giftedness easily becomes a social disability if your environment isn't good for it. The education system isn't ready to handle you constantly being ahead of the class? Get ready to sleep in school as the best years to take advantage of it pass by. Your topics of interest are too complex for everyone else around? Have fun enjoying your friendships less than everyone else. You don't mask your intelligence? Here, have 10 lottery tickets to get bullied, no, you can't return them. Congratulations, you graduated from college. Do you have the money for a masters degree? Oops, guess you studied for nothing. Got into debt and got a masters, but the job market isn't booming? Do you have rich parents, or rich friends? Aw shucks, guess you couldn't network your way into the type of job you would have liked.
Being intelligent helps, if you're patient, hard-working, and have the means to look out for the less conventional options, but not so much as one would instinctively think.
Your topics of interest are too complex for everyone else around? Have fun enjoying your friendships less than everyone else.
This never goes away, but it at least got me a job.
In my experience, the expectations of most people about "gifted" level intelligence seem to be shaped shaped by things like movies and are wholly unrealistic.
Even a twice as fast CPU is no guarantee that the software running in it is any good or appropriate for any one task.
Reminds me of this comic, in Dutch but the translation is right below it (for all the dumbasses who can’t read Dutch)
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Oh I feel this so much. There's a range of jobs and environments where I do really really well. But the way most organizations are structured I can never find a place where my strengths are desirable in the long term.
And selling myself is not one of my strengths.
Try smaller businesses maybe? Corporate isn't for everyone.
I got hired for two simple tasks and quickly realized the company (being small) was lacking in a lot of areas I specialize in or am passionate about. I started doing all these extra things and I got a lot of recognition and $$$ in return. I also don't hate my job, it's a small team and we all get along great.
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Was everything super easy for you? Congrats, you never learned how to struggle and persist and you get discouraged easily. Good luck growing your skills and knowledge now...
Hey that's me! I coasted through high school and got to college having no work ethic or ability to really study material that I almost, but not quite, had down. Dropped out senior year to work in IT, got fired a year later, and had to move back in with my parents for almost a year before I went back and finished my degree and got a new job.
It was very humbling
Tell me, master Bruce, why do we fall?
So we can pick ourselves up.
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Now we're going to put you in the ~~special ed~~ gifted school program.
fml
Thought I read something somewhere like:
the most common thing in the world is unapplied intelligence
Must be butchering it pretty badly if Google’s blank
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Skill issue
oh mighty, become my employer and bestow on me all the right skills that made you successful
No because I don't have skills nor am I successful.
oh mighty,
Missing noun.
excuse me, kind noun, I'll correct it in a jiffy
