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Heather Mills Tells UN Officials To 'Eat Vegan' If They Care About The Planet (plantbasednews.org)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I bet she flew to Bonn...

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago

Interesting face.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Nothing makes the average person angrier than telling them their consumption matters.

Blame governments! Blame Taylor Swift! Blame the 100 fossil fuel companies that produce 70% of the world's fossil fuels, and the factory farms covering entire states in corn monoculture to fatten billions of tortured animals, and the multinational corporations filling the oceans with garbage and our veins with microplastics!

But don't ask who is buying that plastic garbage, or eating those animals, or whose cars and homes are burning those fuels.

Don't you dare expect me to change what I eat and wear and drive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Eat is a big one. Then wear, because it's part of your identity. Drive is somehow easier even though many might notice that it's not at all easy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's funny because governments need to see behavioral change of their voters before they think about policies against cheap consumer goods. It just doesn't make sense politically to fight climate change right now. Especially if only taking about it's importance gets the same number of votes

[+] [email protected] -15 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, no. Veganism isn't going to save us. It's not even a step towards a sustainable future. Insects will become a staple protein before the world becomes vegan, in no small part because it's much more difficult to get the nutrition you need from a vegan diet without money.

These WASPs should spend their effort lobbying for an end to factory beef farms or for UBI.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

in no small part because it's much more difficult to get the nutrition you need from a vegan diet without money.

Lol. Compare the price of a pound of beans and a pound of beef and get back to me, would you?

I can't get more specific about costs unless you get specific about what you mean by "nutrition", but studies have consistently found plant based diets are both cheaper and healthier than omnivorous diets. Especially the average American diet.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

“Without the money” - that’s the key. Meat is heavily subsidised, vegan stuff is not. Even though cows eat soy. Vegan stuff is more expensive than meat only because of fucked up market systems, nothing that can’t be fixed by adjusting regulations.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you think all forms of agriculture aren't heavily subsidized (at least in the US) then I've got a bridge to sell you.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Of course they are that’s not the point. The price of meat is artificially deflated by subsidies, while the price of (for example) soy is artificially inflated by the food companies selling it as a novelty with immense margins.

It takes >20kg of soy to make 1kg of meat. There is no real reason, then, for a soy burger to be as or more expensive than a beef burger. Leave plant subsidies where they are, cut meat subsidies - suddenly it becomes financially sensible to eat that soy directly instead of through a cow, as it should be.

Edit: I realise I expressed myself poorly in the previous comment. By “vegan stuff” I meant processed stuff like burgers, not whole food plants.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Excellent point.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

Sure, but broadly reducing red meat consumption is a pretty good idea for a lot of reasons. I think you're acknowledging this re: factory beef farms, but I think it's important to call out and also to note that a like 80% plant-based diet can be nutritionally complete, not ridiculously expensive, and more sustainable.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

Is that that fucking golddigger?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Most of of them care more about their bank balances so vegans can do one.