I'm just here to talk about The Fall of the House of Usher
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It’s called rent seeking behaviour. It’s parasitic.
I mean... no shit? Netflix's business is not making good films or TV shows. It is getting people to sign up to Netflix and then forget about it for a few years.
It sucks because I very much prefer my media on blu-ray (and then on my plex server). And we are increasingly seeing media that is very much dependent on HDR and gets demolished by encoding and bandwidth limitations. But... that is more a "problem" of the creators not realizing their medium (similar to how a Nolan mix is perfect if you have a center channel but... most TVs and cell phones don't have one).
Flanagan made Hill House and Midnight Mass for Netflix. So it's not like there aren't at least some good shows.
Even though my wife subscribes to Netflix, I would buy Midnight Mass on Blu-ray. They are missing out on taking our money twice.
Yep. Would have gladly bought more than one season of Bojack Horseman, two seasons of Stranger Things, Hill House in 4K/HDR... but no. I'm glad there are preservationists keeping stuff like this from disappearing at the whim of corporate (all hail etc.).
Netflix has a lot of great shows and movies. But the point of those is to sell Netflix.
Mostly I am thinking of stuff like the final season of Game of Thrones that had a lot of "dark" scenes that looked like dogshit without HDR. Or even Andor which had a few striking shots that very much suffered from compression artifacts (and is why I am so glad there was a blu ray of that).
Burn your own copy.
Data on a HDD or SSD (without DRM) is also physical media, and much more flexible. No need to expend more plastic locking data onto a dying format.
More like dead format. I haven't had a dvd player in my home for over a decade
No game consoles? Everything from the PS2 and Xbox forward has the ability to play DVDs.
Blu Ray starting with the PS3 and Xbox One.
4K UHD starting with the Xbox One S and PS5.
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I bet you still have an HDD or SSD somewhere though
Yeah, like a half dozen just lying around.
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Why is this even a knock on Netflix? McDonald's doesn't serve steak and I don't think it's because McDonald's bad. Netflix is in the streaming business, not the physical media business. Look elsewhere if that's important to you?
Netflix and the other streamers represent a growing majority of new IP investment
If the trend continues, there would eventually be no new media produced in physical formats
I mean, for as long as physical media even is a thing. Given where the control and money is I don't see physical media being a thing for much longer.
And Netflix isn't the one killing it, they're just following trends. We are killing physical media because we don't use or buy it.
Because they’re in the business of art and they’re perfectly happy to kill art if it doesn’t make business sense. There is a cultural cost to this stuff disappearing that isn’t comparable to the McRib going away.
Not to be that guy, but the McRib going away is a bit of a cultural thing because that's a food that only the USA could come up with and get people to eat. That being said, I fully understand and agree with your point.
They are in the business of streaming, and are making art to maintain a fresh library to stream. Just like broadcasters and movie theaters before them.
TV shows and movies on physical media was a huge change for those that required a shift in priorities that took decades and for phyiscal media to be profitable. Netflix is still making bank doing what they know how to do, which is streaming. Switching to physical media would need to be more reliably profitable for them than limiting it to streaming to encourage subs to make the switch.
I would prefer the physical media option too, but their reluctance is understandable.
If you feel that way, then you should pay to support them, just like the mcribbers
Netflix will get money from me when they unfuck their decision to cancel Mindhunter
Oh, I thought you meant independent artists when you said something about art
Oh, I mean I do support artists I like
Man you are getting downvoted over nothing.
You got a stalker?
Not to my knowledge. People just heap it on sometimes, it is what it is
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Ok. But if they're footing the bill, that's their choice. The content creators don't need to go to Netflix for their funding, there are many other options.
Sure, and Netflix/HBO et all are still assholes for happily sending art to the glue factory when they think it makes financial sense. They deserve to be criticized for it.
That's a great tour
"Sending art to the glue factory" is hyperbole, cmon. They're also not restricting anyone from releasing their own stuff their own way? If you want Netflix funding, you're going to be bound somewhat by their business, which is focused on streaming. Expecting a business to construct entire sectors to distribute art in the way you want is just... weird. Make your own fucking art with your own resources if you want to distribute it how you want.
I mean they have enough power to force people to deal with them don't they?
Netflix? How can Netflix have enough power to force artists to release through their service? I've enjoyed tons of movies and TV from other sources. They may not have the same reach, but that's a far cry from "forcing" you to do something. If you go with the megacorp with the most reach for your art, expect to make concessions. If you release on your own, it can be tough but you have full control. There are myriad points in the gradient between.
No it’s not. See: Acme vs Coyote, Batgirl, and nearly 100 other things crushed by David Zaslav
So now we're talking about a completely different subject? Be mad at Netflix for canceling shows all you want, that's fine and righteous in a lot of cases. This article is about not producing physical media though, which is not sending art to the glue factory. You should stay on topic with the article instead of inflating your argument without even telling the people you're having a debate with to be about a subject none of us were even discussing?
I think the two are intertwined because without physical media there is no guarantee that media cannot just disappear like Spiderman at the end of Infinity War. Piracy is thankfully a safeguard to that but there’s still a conversation to be had about how easily media can just get black holed nowadays. Everyone’s busy talking about how they’re legally allowed to do that, I’m trying to say they’re morally wrong to disallow their content from physical releases. It’s also a bit ironic considering Netflix wouldn't exist if not for physical media.
Then explain that in your original response to me? Tie them together explicitly instead of assuming everyone is on the same page. We cannot see into your mind. Like cmon, we were arguing two entirely separate issues there for a second.
All that aside, that's a fair point. I do think there should be discussions and maybe even lawmaking had on preservation as it relates to streaming (and games and other digital media). At the end of the day though, Netflix is a funder and a distributor when it comes to art. Yeah, they produce some content also, but it's usually just a fancier version of their funding. Either way, I cannot get away from the idea that if an artist willingly uses Netflix to fund their project, Netflix inherently is going to have rights. It's the whole point. I just think in these cases, why should I not be upset with the artist themselves for attaching themselves to a company they know is not going to produce physical media?
I'm a developer. If I went to Google and said "Hey, can yall fund my app development?" I'm going to expect them to have requirements on their side, including primarily distributing through Google Play. I don't think that's a fault of Google, even if they are heinous for various other reasons (just like Netflix). And just like in the art scenario, I would be insane to complain at that point when I knowingly entered into a contract with a company I knew was going to restrict me.
I’m not always the best at connecting my ideas. You were right to dig the connection out of me, my bad.
You’re right this shouldn’t be a surprise to creators. I just worry that while streamers increasingly become the biggest players in media, the market for physical media will dwindle. Almost like the streamers taking all the air out of the room. Maybe the library of congress could do something for this, idk
That's fair, and I should probably give people a bit more grace. My apologies if I came off as belligerent.
You're right, this tendency is scary. As a person, I am also scared of the way almost all media has transformed in my lifetime. It's not all bad though. As I mentioned, I'm a dev, as I know a lot of folks on Lemmy are. I've been fortunate enough to work in the accessibility space a bit and have conversations with people who would not have been able to enjoy media, full stop, without digitization. Paraplegics can read books, deaf people can enjoy more visual media as we develop alternatives for sound, etc. It's easy to focus on the bad because we feel it so personally, but there is good too.
That aside, I'm with you. Preservation is going to become such an important topic. I don't think most of this is malicious. It's side effects of capitalism and such, for sure, but some of this is just the digital equivalent of books getting lost to time because they just weren't popular enough to preserve. That's sad too and has happened countless times in history, but we usually don't view it as malicious as much as just unfortunate. Technology is a bucking bronco we are all holding onto desperately and just trying our best as a society to adjust. You, me, and all the other folks passionate about art are going to have to organize and be the solution, whether that's through art collectives, local government, or even those pesky pirating websites nobody should use. (😉)
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At the risk of sounding like a corporate shill: fucking duh? Who ever thought otherwise???
Netflix. Its how their business started. DVD rentals via mail.
Netflix. Its how their business started. DVD rentals via mail.
Nokia started as a paper mill company and sold toilet paper. With the release of the Nokia 9 PureView smartphone, nobody expected Nokia to release bog roll along with it.
I was going to make the same sort of metaphor with Nintendo until I looked it up and saw that they still produce playing cards 🙃
Do they make actual basic playing card decks, or just video game merch themed decks?
Both
Both, I think! Nintendo was originally a company that made generic playing cards. They're extremely old too. I haven't looked recently but I think they were around before ww2?
Founded 1889
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I almost did that too, until I remembered Pokemon and pivoted before posting.
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Blockbuster.
I'm not surprised at all, physical media is only good for the consumer. They want subscriptions so they can keep you paying constantly, there's no benefit for them
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