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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

Havent read the article yet, but I recall reading that with modern battery architecture electric planes were physically impossible. Is this plane not using lithium ion, or was I mistaken? It wasnt an issue of the tech not being ready yet, moreso that lithium ion simply could not achieve an energy density to weight ratio that was needed.

Edit: the article does not say.

Second edit: how far off are we from either not having power storage or only minimal power storage and then we just beam energy to the plane?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I think it is more specifically electric planes as large as commercial airline passenger planes are impossible. It has a lot to do with battery mass to energy content ratio. Kerosine is about 46.4 MJ (megajoules) per kilogram. Lithium-air batteries, for example, only have about 6.12 MJ/kg.

So, that means you need 7 times as much battery (in mass) to have the same energy content of kerosine fuel. Naively, we can maybe say that means electric planes only have 1/6 of the range of an equivalent kerosine plane.[^]

Interestingly, lithium-air batteries theoretically have the largest possible energy density for any battery at 40.1 MJ/kg.

^ The calculations are really basic and probably only slightly reflect reality (since there are many other important factors. For example, Hydrogen has a lot more energy per kilogram than kerosine, but because it is much less dense, it has much less energy per m^3 than kerosine. This has made hydrogen gas very impractical for either internal-combustion engines, or planes), but I think it gives an idea of what the problem is.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

It's a problem of range. Jet planes have the advantage that they get lighter as the flight goes on, so for shorter flights, the battery issue is not as big of a problem. It's not a physical impossibility to achieve flight with lithium ion, it's a question of how far.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Assuming $8 for energy, let’s say $0.12/kWh you’re looking at 64kWH. That’s like 1kWh/mi, which is pretty fucking bad. There’s no way they’re scaling this up, because the battery has to weigh at least 1 Ton. So to double the distance you’d need to initially add double the battery, but that’s equivalent of adding 8 fat fucking Americanos to the payload, there by reducing the distance you can travel.

Meanwhile a Cessna Jet gets like 27/mi per gallon. So 2.5 gallons of fuel gets the same travel distance, and that only weighs like 20lbs.

Also, haven’t looked lately, but last I remembered, jet fuel was like $11/gal.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

The journey to JFK airport lasted 45 minutes and included a pilot and four people, including Matt Koscal, President of Republic Airways, and Rob Wiesenthal, CEO of Blade Air Mobility.

Source

It would be great if the article mentioned how it worked. Is this just Lithium Ion again? Or is it some new material e.g the whole airplane is made of a meta-material that turns the entire frame into a battery?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's real goofy-lookin'.

I can't imagine it's a lift-versus-speed thing. Like how human-powered aircraft have the longest and skinniest wings possible.

Was it shaped that way just to do the quadcopter thing, which they've apparently not used here? I feel like you could just extend the nose so the wings are in the middle, and have a plane that's still plane-shaped.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Does say that vertical takeoff is part of the plan. Probably worth an awkward looking plane if the goal is to eliminate the need for infrastructure like modern airports.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

110km = 68 miles (or about one hour of car travel on many US interstate highways)

Something something Americans will do anything but travel by train for short distances.

Edit: apparently y'all are unfamiliar with the meme, and as such taking my comment at 100% sincerity instead of the intended 38%. Also I'm an American myself, so the only intended disrespect was of the self-depreciating variety.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

have you seen the state of their rail system? Americans might be dumb but they're not fucking stupid.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

There's plenty of places where an electric shorter range plane makes sense. Alaska and Australia come to mind immediately.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Well it did say it was a milestone flight, as well as 68 miles not necessarily meaning on a straight road you could drive 70mph on.

There are a lot of good arguments for rail or other means of transportation, but the travel volume vs the infrastructure required are vastly different in the US than in many parts of Europe/Asia. Think 'lots of medium distance low volume routes' that aren't economically feasible since there are existing routes. If you went through the effort of building a train route, you would have to charge so much per person to make it pay for itself that no one could afford it and they would take other methods.

I'm Europe, there seem to be enough 'short, high volume routes' that are economically feasible that considering adding other legs to them make sense, or they just already work.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

4 people, 70 miles in 35 minutes. Vertical takeoffs in the works. $8 in fuel costs. Are we finally getting close the what the Jetson’s envisioned 60 years ago?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They envisioned travelling on the Autobahn?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Those were Kraftwerk

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[–] [email protected] 150 points 1 week ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fox News is not the source I expected from this sort of article...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Why? It's probably just an ad.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Woke commie company out to make us all gay with electric plane!"

Better?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Soon, when they spray chemtrails on you, to make the friggin' frogs gay, you won't even hear them coming!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The frogs turning gay story is actually mostly real. Atrazine is a herbicide widely used in America and a few other countries but banned in the EU. It has polluted a ton of soil and ground water. It's an endocrine disruptor and turns frog intersex or hermaphroditic. It also has effects on humans. The way it passed the EPA is through a whole bunch of lobbying and "we let the company investigate themselves and they said it was fine".

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