Meanwhile trump was bowing down to dictators and sucking putins dick
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I don’t understand the charge of failure to obey a general order in this context. General orders are orders for guarding posts. For the army there are three and the navy there are 11. It’s stuff like don’t quit your post without proper relief, don’t talk outside of duty based things, salute officers….things like that. None of them are about espionage as far as I’m aware.
Here’s the charge sheet. I think general orders in this context are service-wide instead of local orders.
I don’t understand the charge of failure to obey a general order in this context
An article 92 is almost always included, and often the only charge in the Navy if handled by the captain and not court martial.
Especially in that case, Article 92 could be anything.
Like, if they say "don't buy booze for people who aren't 21" and you do and get caught?
That's an article 92.
Get caught shoplifting Robitussin because no one will buy you booze?
That's an article 92.
Stay up for days in a row because of a WoW addiction?
Believe it or not also an article 92.
The Navy has the most "failure to obey a general order" charges because of article 92.
The most ridiculous I saw was a guy got a sun burn so bad he couldn't work for a couple days. Got an Article 92. If the military member agrees to Captains Mast over Court Martial, the captain can do what they want. And Navy Captains tend to like broad interpretations of what they and anyone else can do.
Quick edit:
Most ridiculous as in funny.
For fucked up ridiculous, I knew a girl that broke her foot on the ship while in port. Onboard medical said it wasnt because if it was broke shed get rotated off the ship because she couldn't be in her work area.
She said she was going to the on base hospital after work and they told her not to.
The next day she shows up in a walking boot with a note from the hospital about her foot being broke...
Got taken to captains mast for disobeying a direct order and lost. So confined the ship, demoted, pay taken. All because she went to the hospital for a broken foot. When she should have went to shore duty for a couple months to let it to heal.
I started telling junior sailors that Captain's Mast was something they had to agree to, and that the Captain would be unlikely to take anything to Court Martial because it makes them look bad.
I was warned by a "nice" officer that it could technically be considered mutiny...
And Article 92.
You're overall point stands, but I don't know that I believe that someone got an article 92 over a sunburn. I've heard some variation of that from a bunch of people and even may be guilty of having spread it myself, but I have never actually seen it and couldn't find anything from a cursory search. I'll edit and apologize if some proof is put down, but, again, I don't think your actual point is diminished, regardless. Also, sick Parks and Rec reference.
He engaged with the foreign official “under the guise of writing research papers,” it said. The Navy described that as a tactic U.S. adversaries increasingly use to obtain both classified and unclassified document.
They've been doing that, for decades...
It's hard to get someone to give up that info knowing what's going on.
But you butter someone up about how they're a subject matter expert and how smart they are...
And people can get talked into giving up a bunch of benign info that has a couple pieces of important stuff mixed in.
Once that method stops working, there's a chance the other country will "come clean" and say what the person did was espionage. Then the blackmail starts.
That's why the biggest thing they care about for clearances is: how much shame you have.
Ironically someone who really cares about other's perception of them are going to be the ones roped into this. But if you immediately turn it in as soon as it hits that point, yeah, you fucked up. But chances are even classified shit you already disclosed was already known.
The juicy stuff needs that threat of Leavenworth if you don't give it up.
It's just they're never gonna stop blackmailing you, and the longer it goes on, the more it would suck to be caught. So the more they'll do to avoid it. When that's hanging over someone's head, they stop thinking rationally.
The whole thing is designed to keep them scared shitless in the moment so they stop thinking long term.
Or just talk shit on Warthunder forums
What do you mean I dont know the current nuclear launch codes?!
I'll show you!
I wish this was just a joke but people are vulnerable to psychology.
Yeah and it's "people" like everyone, not "some people".
The first step is making them emotional, and that can happen to anyone. Even if it's just someone being wrong about something they shouldn't know the right answer to in the first place.
If devs had asked that guy what it was actually supposed to be, he'd probably have known that he can't actually prove it.
But they just guessed and then was dismissive when he tried to correct them, so he just completely and unsolicitedly committed espionage for no personal gain except to win an argument on discord.
People (all of us) do dumb shit when we get emotional. But yeah, that one was notable.