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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah no shit if you go to the communist instance and say communists are just as bad as nazis, you're gonna get banned. You even admit to doing this specifically to get banned in your own comment.

Like even though I'm a socialist, I think the guys at lemmy.ml are a bunch of nutjob tankies, but banning people that come to their instance just to be a troll, insult people and purposefully try to get banned isn't actually a bad thing.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have never said communists are as bad as nazies. That would be ridiculous thing for me to say because I don't think that. Nazies are legitimately insane and scary. Communists are just naive idealogues.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"One for Communists is hardly any different as far as I'm concerned."

Bruh.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

You compared communists to ethno-staters. There's extremist and there's radical.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

So many people here trying to argue dictionary definitions and hide behind technicalities to make their little slice of authoritarianism better than that other slice of authoritarianism.

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Good lord, look at the replies to this post. Even being called out on the behavior, they still cant resist slapfighting over silly technicalities and dictionary definitions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Communism isn't inherently authoritarian, it holds no relation to authoritarianism or democracy, just like capitalism, and can exist within any political formation. Conflating communism with authoritarianism and capitalism with democracy will likely result in completely justified dictionary arguments, as this misconception is actually very important ideologically.

Associating communism with things like USSR or, in an even more cursed way, China and claiming communism is authoritarian is actively harmful, especially considering that neither of them ever had communism to begin with - they had socialism and claimed to be directed towards communism some time in the future.

Such shortcuts, like communism=authoritarianism=evil prevent you from actually familiarizing yourself with the concepts and puts you in a position when you oppose a strawman.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Communism IS 100% authoritarian. Any ideology which puts social constructs above individual rights and freedoms is authoritarian, be it monarchy, fascism or communism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How does Communism put social constructs above individual rights and freedoms, especially moreso than Capitalism?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Communism puts society above an individual.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It does not. It puts individuals over the bourgeoisie.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

No.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, but the protection of rights requires that governments limit freedom. All societies and nations on earth do this. If given absolute freedom, some would kill and brutalize to gain power, forcing everyone who wants to avoid this to band together and enforce rules that prevent that behavior. This is the biggest reason to rationally want a government. Even if you believe rights aren't social constructs themselves, everyone knows they must be fought for.

Some tankies use the fact that governments inherently limit freedom to claim all governments are authoritarian, and therefore states like the PRC and the USSR are no better than liberal democracies. Your definition of authoritarianism supports the bullshit arguments tankies make.

Authoritarianism is a sliding scale, and not every limit on freedom is equivalent in contributing to a country being more authoritarian. Not having the freedom to kill others without consequence doesn't make a country very authoritarian. Not having the freedom to publicly disagree with the government is a large factor in a state being authoritarian.

Communism and socialism do not necessitate having no freedom of speech or bodily autonomy. Communism, as defined by Marx, was the final stage socialism and anarchistic in nature.

The idea that communism is always authoritarian uses the idea of communism popularized by Marxist-Leninist movements, where dissent is highly controlled and limited. In reality, these regimes were socialist at best, calling themselves communists to claim that only their version of socialism would deliver Marx's communism. Even to the authoritarian communists themselves, their states never achieved communism at any point.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

You're deluded. A proper liberal and democratic government doesn't limit individual rights and freedoms, it only ensures that one's rights end where rights of others start, resulting in an equilibrium for everyone.

Communism is authoritarian as it destroys individual rights and freedoms. If the ideology is not liberal in nature, it's authoritarian. There's no way around it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Capitalism IS 100% authoritarian. Any ideology which puts profit margins above individual rights and freedoms is authoritarian, be it monarchy, fascism or capitalism. /s

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

Capitalism is not an ideology. Get back to school, kiddo.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Welcome to lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Its unavoidable considering the creator of lemmy is a nazi, and Lemmy ml is his personal instance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

The creators are tankies, not Nazis. Just as hateful and stupid, but not the same

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