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[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Sanders simply didn't have the numbers. And wouldn't have had the numbers, even if the DNC hadn't actively been backing Clinton and then Biden.

The 'problem' with Sanders is that he's a pretty solid democratic socialist. That's scary for a lot of centrist voters in a way that Trump isn't, or Mittens Romney wasn't. Is that dumb? Yes. But that's still the way it is. You can be angry about the Overton window moving to the right, but it has moved, and when you're looking at electability of candidates, you need to pay attention to it. You need to move that window left before the elections, and that requires a ground game that Dems simply don't have yet. (And may never have, TBH.)

Republicans have been moving that Overton window to the right for literally decades. The first concerted effort that I can remember was with Newt Gingritch and his "Contract With America", and then the Tea Party. We haven't had that kind of concerted effort from people on the left in the US, and we need it if we ever expect a candidate like Sanders to be viable.

(And really, Elizabeth Warren has nearly identical politics, but is less well-known as being on the left. She'd probably be a more solid choice at this point to capture centrists.)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The thing with Bernie is that he was able to drum up a passion and level of support from the people around him that I haven't seen anywhere except the Right. Now I recognize it isn't specifically him that did it. He helped and acted as a conduit and would have made a great President imho. What really brought people together was their anger and hope for true positive change.

I've been paying attention and people are angry now. Angrier than they were back when Bernie tried. I sincerely hope that the anger I am seeing and hearing, not only on the Internet, but also in stores and while working, is something we grab onto. Those of us who lean left, in comparison to the right, are too patient. Too inclusive. Too willing to shift uncomfortably and not speak up.

Get Biden in to buy time. Then take that time, stay together, and collectively plant a foot in some strategic asses.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

But then I can't shake the feeling that after struggling to get anything done overnight in a hostile political environment, the very same bored and fidgety, easily-distracted, easily-manipulable potential voters wouldn't have shown up to support Bernie in the 2018 midterms.

"Consistency and perseverance are key, you need to vote in every election, from school board and city council on up, if just one day a year, maybe two", but then they groan in annoyed boredom, doomscrolling their cellphones with one eye, not even paying attention to you (or Bernie) anymore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

why is it bill gates xD

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago

why is it bill gates xD

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Finally, a meme I can put to good use. Thank you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

The real problem wasn’t an unjust primary, it was imbalanced media coverage and support prior to the primary. Debbie Wasserman Schultz wanted Hillary to win the nomination, and skewed media coverage in her favor. She stepped down after accusations, but only after the damage was done.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html

Although there is a silver lining in getting 12+ years of Senator Bernie vs. the maximum 8 years of President Bernie.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

She didn't even really fall. Clinton gave her a job on her campaign immediately after she stepped down as DNC chair. She couldn't even wait until after the election to bail her out. She had to immediately give her a job she clearly made up for her (I think it was something like Honorary 50 State Outreach Chair), just to give Sanders voters a giant middle finger before the election.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It wasn't just Debbie, she just took the fall, it was the democratic party doing what's best for the democratic party. Bernie wanted to tear down Super PACs, better to lose than to let him win and ruin that money. I think we forget that even when one side is likely to be drastically better for us, that doesn't mean that either side is always necessarily good.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Oh I’m certain there’s plenty of corruption in even the most altruistic facets of politics. You’re right that she took the fall, but I also read plenty of concerns from other members of the DNC that challenged her firm stance against Bernie. To your point though, she wasn’t likely acting alone.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't have any direct sources to link but I remember seeing some pretty appalling omissions of Bernie Sanders during the 2020 primary.

They'd literally put up a little infographic on the screen that would say something like

Democratic primary front runners:

1 Joe Biden

3 Pete Buttigieg

4 Michael Bloomberg

And it was like, WTF! Bernie Sanders, at #2 would just be completely omitted. I saw many news sources doing this kind of thing.

With that, and seeing how they reacted to help the rich stop losing their asses when the hedge funds were getting raped via their illegal shorting of GameStop stock solidified for me that all media is controlled by the rich and they're controlling all the narrative - to the detriment of the 99%.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 months ago (4 children)

If only people my age actually fuckin' turned out.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Yep. It’s unbelievable how so many people think that they can create change by staying home. It also blows my mind that so many people seem to always have so much to say…

But for some reason… only every four years. Never after elections.

It’s almost as if there’s an agenda to their need to convince others not to vote.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I was so distraught and in denial about Bernie not getting the nomination that I wrote him in. Sorry I think I helped Trump by doing that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Sadly, that's true if you were in a swing state. A lot of people didn't like HRC and didn't think trump could win or cared if he won, so they didn't vote for HRC and we got trump. I'm worried the same thing will happen again in 2024. Please people please, don't let it happen again. Vote for Biden whether you like him or not and we go forward from there.

Vote for the person you want in the primaries, then vote for the party you want in the general. Whether you like it or not, there are only two choices, R or D.

Remember, this is not just about who is POTUS-- it's about which people will be appointed to run all our government agencies, which people will be appointed to the Supreme Court and the Federal courts. That directly affects our lives. trump put 3 more right wing extremists on SCOTUS, and now it's 6 to 3 maga over progressive. If Hillary had been elected we would have a progressive majority instead.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Was your district one vote away from voting for Hilary?

If not, then your single vote did not have a measurable impact.

It took thousands of people, in a handful of very specific districts, swinging to Trump. He didn't even win the popular vote, he never has, and likely won't win it again.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Nah, man, I don't think any of us really were expecting the result we got. I protest voted for fuckin' Johnson of all people in the 2016 General because I was certain that my vote wouldn't mean jack. I mean, I was in a safe blue state, so it didn't, but God, the feeling in my gut watching the results come in, knowing that my fellow American citizens were fucking vile enough to elect Donald fucking Trump, and that I hadn't even cast a vote in (meaningful) opposition? To at least add a little more voice to the ridiculousness that was the electoral college overriding the vote of the people? It hit hard.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (3 children)

They should have, but it probably wouldn't make a difference. The superdelegates controlled the nomination.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

They also control who gets elected. The popular vote for president is such a joke. It’s amazing how many people think that voting for a president is actually their choice; that every vote counts. Sure, you could argue that ~~those Super Delegates are~~ the Electoral College is supposed to vote the will of the people, but I would counter with we shouldn’t be where we are politically right now either.

Shit happens, and this is what we got.

People like Bernie Sanders will never win an election for president; especially a troublemaker such as he, nor with the way the system is currently set up. And no one is going to change the current system, because that means giving up power. And if there is one thing governments do not do: it’s give up power.

Color me cynical all you like, but I double-dog dare you to prove me wrong.

Edit: I’m an idiot and got my terminology mixed up. 🙈

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I pretty much agree with you. Voting just gives "them" an idea of what we will put up with.

I wish we could organize like the religious right has. With a minority position they have made amazing changes. I suspect they will destroy democracy before we're able to learn and apply their strategy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You are right. If there is one thing that the far-right does really well, it’s organize. I’ve been grumbling for years that the Democrats should tear a page or two from the R’s playbook and learn how to figure their shit out. It’s no wonder the D’s get dicked over (pun intended) all the time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The problem is their recruitment relies on sensationalism and tribalism. That doesn't work as well on the left where people actually understand, and care about policy

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Color me cynical all you like, but I double-dog dare you to prove me wrong.

The DNC changed the superdelegate system due to the uproar after 2016

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

🤦‍♂️ You know, I used to work in politics, so I should’ve known better. I meant Electoral College. Not Superdelegates. Thank you for bringing this up so I’d find my error.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Not in 2020, the DNC changed the rules after 2016 so they don't get a vote unless no one wins on the first ballot, and Biden won on the first ballot. Biden straight up just got more votes than Bernie in 2020

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Hillary straight-up got more votes than Bernie in 2016 as well. To my (and in retrospect, the entire nation's) regret.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I voted for Bernie twice, and whenever a Democrat is running against a Republican, I will always vote blue. I'll continue to try to influence the Democratic party by voting in primaries. A ton of local elections are being won by increasingly progressive candidates, and they are going to graduate to higher offices over time

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago

The superdelegates controlled the nomination.

Not really.

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