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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I’m starting to get the feeling that “X is playing chess while Y is playing checkers” is an indicator species for a terrible take.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Elon ripped out the LiDAR, I don’t have any faith at all in Tesla’s FSD.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Elon ripped out the LiDAR

No he didn't...He never even installed it in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago

I had to look this up, but you’re mostly right. They never really did use LiDAR. They did use other types of radar, which were removed or disabled. In any case, they (Elon) asserted that neither radar nor LiDAR was really necessary.

However, that was mostly a couple years ago. In the past month or two they actually have begun buying up tons of LiDAR.

Also, they were sued over FSD in court and their lawyers are now arguing that customers should’ve known that cars without LiDAR are not capable of reliable FSD.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

But the self driving taxi fleet is coming anytime now /s

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And Cruise is playing bumper cars

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

More like GTA

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Both are risking the lives and safety of the non-consenting public as they beta test 2-ton vehicles on public streets. Damn them both.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (9 children)

This is literally the only way we'll ever get self-driving cars. You have to test them in real life. Simulations and tests tracks can only take you so far. Yeah it'll probably cost the lifes of some number of people but this will be greatly outnumbered by the amount of lives saved when the technology actually starts working as intented. It's not like human driven vehicles are exactly safe for pedestrians either.

Also, when a self-driving vehicle fails it almost always means it ends up getting stuck somewhere or blocking the road. It's extremely rare for it to cause an accident, though that does happen aswell.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I wonder what you then think about people who drive after heavily drinking or taking drugs. To be honest, I have more faith in technology than in humans.

Not to mention that self driving can probably solve some other problems too, like traffic jams caused by erratic driving behavior of humans, etc.

If you have vehicle to vehicle communication, it is possible to adapt the speed of all the vehicles on the street to avoid them being stuck in a traffic jam.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago

Yeah Waymo has been silently ticking away over here for years. On the east side they are all over the place. It will take longer to get to freeway speeds but I think Waymo's approach is far safer. But fuck Google too

[–] [email protected] 66 points 5 months ago (6 children)

So the article repeats, several times, “waymo relies on remote operators”. I don’t think the author knows what “self-driving” means.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago

I'm generally the one defending Tesla in these threads but on Waymo's defence; the remote operators aren't actually controlling the car. Instead when faced with a challenging situation the car "calls home" for assistance basically asking a human to take a look at the situation and help it to decide what to do. This might be a car partially blocking the lane of traffic cones placed in a weird manner so the car justs asks for assurance that it's okay to proceed. In the most difficult situations the remote operator can suggest a route for the vehicle to take but the decision on what to do is ultimately on the vehicle itself.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And he forgets to mention the precise mapping required too. He also left out the terrible experiences Waymo has had with revoked permits, cars disabled by traffic cones, and multiple traffic stopping glitches where intersections were blocked for hours.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

The author is very well aware of this dilemma, in fact that topic is the center of his article, and he is making some good points about why real autonomous driving might still take a long time until achieved.

Besides that the cars are constantly getting around without a designated driver. For the technology and for the industry that is a huge breakthrough.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

"self-driving"

Someone else, forreal - driving

A couple years ago, we used to joke around the shop "Of course they used AI - An intern."

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