My new favorite game is:
When the news says “high prices”, replace it with “low wages”; “inflation” with “paycuts”.
The whole economy starts to make a lot more sense.
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"Durable goods lasting longer than ever, but spun as economic anxiety"
Sort of. I'm glad we are wasting less in terms of automobile manufacture, but this is caused by price gouging on the part of automakers more than anything.
That means when we all eventually have to buy another car, we're just going to get fucked.
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Laughs in late 90s model Astro van and early 2000s Toyota Camry.
I have a coworker who did a frame off (yes, they had a partial frame) restoration of their astro van. Some of those astro van people are really into them.
Didn't they come with an awd v8 version?
AWD, yes. V8, not sure. I think they share some underpinnings with the s10, so even if they didn't come out of factory with one it wouldn't be a hard swap.
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I mean, they are cool as heck on the inside. I can see why they would be into them.
They also last longer. Cars used to turn into a pile of rust before they hit 100k miles
Hard disagree. Rust is a consequence of the material, not of the vehicle's vintage. Furthermore, older cars are not only simpler and easier to work on, but also, parts are cheaper. If any 1990s Honda isn't making it to at least 200k miles, its an anomaly.
The newer cars aren’t any harder to work on for driving related functionality. Or, at least they’re not any harder than they were 20 years ago.
The electronics are a layer on top of a relatively legacy layer of “car”.
Older cars for sure did rust faster because the manufacturers didn't adopt galvanizing until the late 80's. Then in the 90's various other spray coatings and sealers became common. Aluminum is also now prevalent to save weight.
Old cars in the south and southwest didn't have road salt accelerating the oxidation. But if they were brought up north they caught up quickly. Cars in the north prior to galvanizing would be rotted out in 100k miles easily.
Neat, i'm glad we agree. Early 90's is still very early in perspective to this audience. I'm driving a '92 and that's 32 years old now. The cars from that decade last much longer than the 100k quoted above. Also, this is beyond 2.5X the average quoted in the OP article. Clearly, these are "old" cars. In sum, the 100k-till-rust-apart claim isn't anchored in reality.
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There's a guy in my neighborhood who occasionally brings out a neon purple Geo Storm and it makes me smile Everytime I see it.
I had a Geo Prism that got like 40mpg in the city and never broke down, a 5 speed manual, I loved it, so efficient, but the body was awful, the door handles fell off, window handles broke, the steering wheel fell off! Also it was this warm gray color that was the color of the road, the fog, the sky on a cloudy day, had a stealth quality, I could speed right by cops but got rear ended a few times.
But that engine, I wish I could have just transplanted it into my next car.
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Hell yeah! I love the Geos. My exes dad had a Geo Metro and that was a trip to take on the highway. I heard the drivetrain was easily swappable with a Suzuki Samari for an all-wheel drive conversion too.
My dad had a Geo Metro & was a travel nurse. Had that thing loaded down with all of his stuff and drove it from Baltimore to Phoenix. That little 3 cylinder did work.
Back in the 90s, there was a lady who drove a Geo Metro around my town with a huge bumper sticker that said (paraphrasing) in all caps: MY GEO IS DOWN TO TWO CYLINDERS. BACK OFF.
I always enjoyed that lady.
What are you talking about? American made cars (majority of historical volume) were notoriously bad until recently. Hondas and Toyotas were the exception. Now the expectation is that every make/model makes it to 200k miles.
And rust was an issue because they used inferior paint on older vintages. I don't see how blaming it on material deficiencies supports your point.
I think you're conflating American-made and American-branded. Most of the Honda, Toyota, Subaru, etc. vehicles are still made in the USA and are part of the majority market share you mention. These cars lasted 200k easily, and usually past the 300k mark.
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How dare people decide to hold onto their current cars instead of paying 9% on a 60K car!
Won’t somebody please think of the shareholders?!?