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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

dont worry france will catch up soon

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's always good to take homelessness stats with a grain of salt. In the US, at least, there's basically zero real-time tracking of who is unhoused. Instead, estimates are made via some fairly ridiculous processes. For example, some cities or states do it by picking one day every year to send a bunch of social workers and students out to count people sleeping on the street. That's it. That's the official stat, for the year, of who is homeless on the street and who is not. There is no baseline model that means you estimate a better number based on that limited observation. It is a guaranteed undercount.

The way in which you count as unhoused varies as well. Living out of your car is not counted in many metrics. Crashing on someone's couch isn't counted by many metrics.

It's all a big clusterfuck and it could all be avoided by just providing housing. No need to even do these big counts if people just have a place to live. But instead, capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

For sure, these kinds of stats give a minimum bound, but the reality is almost certainly a lot worse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The US has more sleeping on the street tho.

Belgium and Portugal are abysmal as well

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dude what the fuck, 0.5% of everyone in the UK is homeless?!?!??!!!!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

wild isn't it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

This report was clearly sponsored by the US

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wow Germany doing way worse than I expected and Canada a lot better than I expected

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As a Canadian I was surprised as well. I guess it shows just how far things can keep sliding here while people just accept it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It actually baffles me. Canada has way worse social security nets than Germany and France, way less worker rights, way worse healthcare, way less affordable housing, but stronger economy

I guess Canada's economy is just that much better and developed the trickle down is enough to make up the difference?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Could also just be that Canada doesn't count as thoroughly, so more people fall through the cracks without anybody knowing. If you don't count then you don't have a problem. *taps head*

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I imagine that plays a part. I certainly don't remotely trust our government's statistics here...

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

If I were to guess, unhoused people in Canada probably have a more difficult time living through the winter than in Germany and France. Well, maybe except for the warmer Pacific coast parts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

yeah that's a good point

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What on earth is going on in Belgium?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

my guess would be neoliberalism

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There's no need to call it neoliberalism. This kind of shit is exactly what got the original people who called themselves hard. In fact, the "left-leaning" liberals are actually newer, and so the term really should apply to them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The "left leaning" libs predate neoliberalism by like 150 years, they never went away they just stopped having whatever bit of the spot light they had before and now they are making a very slight return. Neo liberalism is very distinct from liberalism (neo classical liberalism to be exact) and it is a distinction worth making

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How is it distinct? Finance vs. industrial?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

that too but more importantly neoliberalism is basically fascism with a different coat of ideological paint and a little bit less violence, they both arouse to meet the same problems that capitalism was facing and they both sorta do the same thing infact the first neoliberal government Pinoshit's Chile we call fascists. Also in general liberals make some concessions to the working class, and in general neoliberals destroy them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

You get neoliberalism, you get neoliberalism, Everyone gets neoliberalism!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

US first in people living in the street.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

US still #1 baby amerikkka

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

US has rookie numbers, gotta pump those numbers up!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Us just puts the rest in prison.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I noticed that too. I was like no way US isn't number one...ahh there's the kicker..most on the street.