If I were Mitt I would immediately transfer everything I own to rockandsock.
It's really easy to say what you'd hypothetically do in someone else's place isn't it?
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Well, not that we needed one, but I really appreciate you giving us a reminder for why we should never ever make you president, Mittens. It's very thoughtful of you.
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Mitt Romney is an idiot
Ah yes. Fewer consequences for the rich is what we need.
Fuck off and die
All I did was post an article, you big meanie
Doesn't there have to be a conviction in order for there to be a pardon? Or is that a myth?
Nixon got a full pardon and I don't think he was ever charged.
That's what I was going to say. Pretty sure it's true. I read something a while ago about people who had been pardoned, not realizing that it's an admission of guilt. I think a person can even turn down a pardon on that basis, but I'm not positive on that last part.
I guess Biden would have to say he WOULD pardon him, to head off any charges.
None of that is true. Nixon was never charged, let alone convicted of any crimes. And pardons can be completely general and not even specify an explicit crime at all. President Ford's pardon of Nixon, for example, was for "all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974" So, no. Neither charges or convictions are required, nor even a crime at all.
I see, but the guilt IS still a thing.
What about the person declining the pardon part?
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Wow, this is an impressively stupid take.
Can't take the snivelling, manipulative, lying scumbag out of the republican, I guess.
To be fair, he’s probably being too honest with this one
Biden can't pardon state crimes.
Remember: no Republicans are arguing Trump didn't break the law.
They're arguing he shouldn't be punished for it.
They’re arguing he shouldn’t be punished for it
They are really arguing that all Republicans shouldn't be punished but if you aren't in the club you get the full blast of the law.
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Yea I think he has to be found guilty of the crime to be pardoned, right?
I think you have to admit guilt? Which is bullshit because the purpose of a pardon isnt to get guilty people off but to act as a check against judicial power. I'm not sure though.
Nope.
A pardon stops all punishment from the judicial system. You don't have to plead guilty and criminal proceedings stop. A pardon further undoes any legal handicap (for example, you can own firearms again).
That said, if you accept a pardon you can't plead the fifth when it comes to details related to the crime you've committed.
There's also a commutation, which is weaker than a pardon. Instead of having the crime fully forgiven you are simply let out of jail with the understanding you committed the crime and must face follow up consequences (like not being able to own firearms).
Finally, there are also conditional pardons. Those are ones where the president could impose a "you must plead guilty" style rule before the pardon can be applied. He could also apply a rule that says "you must perform 10 jumping jacks".
Pardon powers are some of the most broad we have in the US.
About the only limitation is you can't pardon for future crimes.
About the only limitation is you can’t pardon for future crimes.
Yeah, you really want Roberts' SCOTUS to rule on that?
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Maybe, maybe not
Thank you.
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No. Nixon was never charged, but he was pardoned.
And this guy is supposed to be the “moderate” GOP. Crooks and liars all the way down their bones.
Ford was, based on the behavior of the Reagan, W Bush, and Trump administrations, entirely wrong to pardon Nixon. There is no reason to repeat his mistake.
I actually had an idea that Biden could pardon Trump, then Trump couldn't plead the 5th when called as a witness against anyone else. So he would have the choice of truthful answers or perjury.
Seeing how this current judge has been handling him with kid gloves I wouldn’t expect anything bad to happen to him even if he did perjure himself.
Notice how he is minding every p and a, crossing every t and dotting every i?
That’s so that, when he’s done, there will be nothing to appeal.
They will still try, but try and achieve are so different they don’t even share a letter.
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Maybe the ex-president shouldn't have been such a criminal, Mitt.
Just when you thought he wasn't half bad.
Anybody who thought that was half stupid.
And there ya go groveling to your orange master, Romney. What a spineless bitch.