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Rebecca Joynes allegedly became pregnant after having sex with one of her victims, known as boy B, Manchester Crown Court heard - she denies the allegations against her.

Rebecca Joynes denies having sex with the two boys but admitted, in Manchester Crown Court, to having broken safeguarding rules by being in contact with them on Snapchat and having them back to her apartment in Salford Quays.

The 30-year-old was already suspended from her job and on bail for alleged sexual activity with boy A, 15, when she allegedly took the virginity of a second boy, known as boy B, 16, who she later became pregnant by.

Joynes denies that any sexual activity took place with boy A - whose semen was recovered from her bedsheets.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 5 months ago

Raping two students.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 5 months ago

Cool now give her the same sentence a male teacher should get

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

Let's hope it's not just her job she ruined but het life too, by going to prison.

[–] [email protected] 248 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Notice how it says "having sex with" instead of "raping" because she is a woman.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Yeah as fucked up as it is men cannot be raped by women according to the definition under UK law. That's what I read anyway someone please correct me though because I would love to be wrong here.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

It's not the best source obviously, but according to Wikipedia this is incorrect, women can be charged with rape (if I've read this correctly):

Under section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, the use of the phrase "his penis" is a misnomer as all laws were previously written using male pronouns. It does not exclude those who are legally female from being able to be covered from the definition of rape.[12]

The last time I pasted a Wikipedia link on a world news community I was banned, so mods please just delete this comment if I've done something wrong. [Edit] note it was a different world news community, I'm just trying to be extra careful.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_English_law

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

IDK why people hate on Wikipedia links so much. Most wiki pages provide sources at the bottom of the page and are annotated, the [12] at the end.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I honestly think that’s more about ensuring that they can charge trans women with rape (which they obviously should, when relevant). It seems like the thing they’re commenting on is the pronoun, not the noun.

Where I am, penetrating someone with an object counts and they phrase it very differently

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Can confirm. It's the same in my British former colony.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Of course, it’s all about her, not her victims.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's because the victims are children, and there are limitations to what you can publish about children in cases like this.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

She can express empathy for the victims as well as shame and remorse, without naming them specifically. Apparently, she only regrets the consequences that she, herself, is suffering.

The responsibility to keep the victims’ names obfuscated is that of the publisher(s)/media, not her, and could easily be edited from any statement she made containing them.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ah, I thought you were referring to the reporting of the article instead of her testimony, my bad.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh, my, no. The identities of the victims should certainly be protected. I was just commenting that the teacher appears to have no concern for the impact of her actions upon her victims, only that of the consequences upon herself.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh no. The consequences of my actions. Woe is me, give me sympathy

  • teacher, probably
[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It’s revelatory of her grasp (or lack thereof) of the power dynamic which exists in these situations, and how she doesn’t understand the imbalance— and the impact/consequences on the victims. There’s an element of both narcissism and general sociopathy involved in some types of pederasty and pedophelia.

But there’s a lot that’s unknown about the disorder, and it’s also a field that carries tremendous taboo fin mental health (those who try to treat it and/or research it rather than simply punish it severely meet massive resistance, professional blacklisting, etc.), so learning about it - and how to treat it - progresses slowly. Which is a bad thing, for everyone because ignoring the problem won’t make it vanish. The public just wants to pillory and execute pedophiles, butt that doesn’t help with things like treatment and prevention.

If we want to stop pedophiles - or, better, identify them before they act so they can be treated and victims can never be created - we need to know more than we do now.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Treat paedophiles, execute child molesters seems like a good balance.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Eh, replace death with life-without-parole imprisonment and I'm onboard.

If you think about it, LWP is a far worse fate.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
  1. If murder is wrong, then murder is wrong. Just because the State does it doesn’t magically make it ok.
  2. The death penalty has never been proven to be a deterrent to any crime
  3. the death penalty had been proven to cost many times the cost of lifetime incarceration, sometimes between 300%-700%, all being paid by the taxpayer, sometimes resulting in the release of the perpetrator.
  4. in car too many cases to be considered a “simple mistake”, later evidence has been used to exonerate death row inmates, proving that lives would have been lost due to failures of the justice system which could not have been rectified should the defendants had been executed. In such cases, the justice system would have failed. 5.vengeance is not justice. Anyone claiming relief from witnessing the death of a criminal perpetrator: beware of anyone who thirsts for blood, for they do not discriminate as to the source.
[–] [email protected] 63 points 5 months ago

not a drag queen

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago

How can she possibly deny that when the evidence is undeniable?

[–] [email protected] 54 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A teacher accused of having sex with two teenage pupils has told a jury she ruined her "dream job" with stupid "mistakes".

Rebecca Joynes denies having sex with the two boys but admitted, in Manchester Crown Court, to having broken safeguarding rules by being in contact with them on Snapchat and having them back to her apartment in Salford Quays.

In court she also maintains that the relationship with boy B only began after he had left school and she had lost her job, so no legal offence was committed.

Mr Allman alleged that both boys were 15 when she began taking them into her flat and she communicated with both on Snapchat - where messages are deleted and not recoverable by police.

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Mr Allman said that Joynes had a supportive family, sister and a best friend back home but instead chose the company of a 15-year-old boy.


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