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Saw people talking in comments at several places now, expressing animosity towards them to say the least, always presented as something that everyone seems to know about.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (9 children)

He's a youtuber who is a known game dev.

And he's pointed out the obvious issue that you can't just demand companies keep servers up and running, if you legally mandate servers can't be turned off then companies would stop releasing online games because that's stupid.

It often costs millions of dollars a year to keep servers up and running. If they are causing the company to lose money, then yeah obviously they're gonna turn em off.

Only naive, entitled gamers would demand such a wild thing. It's not going to get past any courts

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

"Known game dev."

His "game" has been in limbo for what, a decade? And he "worked" at blizzard because of his daddy.

Dude doesn't know shit.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

That's kind of the biggest problem with this whole ordeal. The people who are talking about it aren't capable of reading the petition, the petition isn't asking for that. Same problem we have with near every controversy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

The EU already mandates minimal service life for things like security updates. I don't see why it won't make it past courts. Hell, under EU laws regarding warranty, games publishers are probably already forced to either run game servers for a minimum of two years (or offer alternatives such as full refunds). This concept is just extending the mandated warranty in a sense. As for the software itself, manufacturers are under tons of regulation when it comes to support and availability of replacement parts in various industries. Entitlement does play a role, but that may very well be in the fact that consumers are simply entitled to access to the goods and services they purchased.

Also, there's nothing stopping companies from releasing alternative servers when their main servers turn off. Games used to come with dedicated servers for free. Companies just decided not to do it anymore because they can make more money with their current strategy. While the games are being sold, these companies make hundreds of millions or even billions of profit. The cost of their servers remaining available is just part of their profit forecast.

None of this will fail because it would be impossible to make happen. The real question is probably if consumers have more power than the video games lobby. I doubt they do. The proposal goes against the financial incentives of video game publishers, so they'll try to convince lawmakers not to bother. If their attempts fail, there's a chance certain games won't make it into the EU if such a law passes, or that certain content won't be available, but it's not like nobody will make games anymore.

A more realistic scenario of a law like this will have game publishers state an expiration date on their software. They already have to when it comes to security updates, but they'll probably have to put a sticker on it like "this game/DLC will stop working after 2026" and let consumers decide whether to buy the product or not.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Only naive, entitled gamers would demand such a wild thing. It's not going to get past any courts

Which is why the SKG campaign is specifically not demanding that. Pirate Software has misrepresented the stance of the SKG campaign consistently in his videos. Seriously.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He's a game developer and Twitch streamer (game dev and playing) who's become very popular in the last few years.

The latest pile-on against him is due to him having some reservations about the wording and intent of the petition/movement and, because we're currently in a era where False Dichotomy is king: anything other than 100% unquestioning support is treated as 100% unequivocal opposition, and vice versa. 😒

My understanding is that he thinks it's a good idea in principle (as do I), but games are no longer simply compiled with only the occasional update or patch, but multi-server online complex systems with a lot of moving parts. Of you're going to legislate immortality on games, then you're going to need to make your argument for it clear and robust, who has responsibility for what, how deprecating technology is handled, and so on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hmm, I would like to add on a couple of points to you reply (against your reply, now that I reread it):

  1. I feel that he really was 100 percent in opposition against the movement, no?
  2. About the movement, the creator of the movement also agrees that the movement can most probably not be applied to current games today, as it can be unfeasible for the exact same points you say, he wants it to be applied to future games being developed, by having the end of life of games be considered right from the beginning of games.
  3. Moreover, about the legislative part of it, doesn't a petition not need to deal with the exact legal wording? I belived petitions to be more like "hey, this is what the idea is, and this many people support it". More like a letter to like actual law makers that this is a problem, and we need laws regarding this problem. Then the clear and robust arguments for each of the (very valid, of course!) problems and caveats you mention will need to be clearly articulated by them.
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

He has literally said on stream that he's willing to actively campaign against SKG. While tbf he hasn't actually done so beyond the 2 (ish) video that he's done signalling his opposition. It's 100% fair to say he opposes SKG.

You have a better understanding of the movement now than the 2 top level commenters, OP.

Edit: it is PirateSoftware's spread of misinformation, as you've seen firsthand, and his refusal to redact any of it nor to talk with SKG's organiser that drew many people's ire. All these resurfaced again recently because SKG's organiser made a video on the imminent failure of the EU petition and mentioned in the video that unfortunately PirateSoftware was the biggest voice that mentioned SKG.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

The latest pile-on against him is due to him having some reservations about the wording and intent of the petition/movement and, because we’re currently in a era where False Dichotomy is king: anything other than 100% unquestioning support is treated as 100% unequivocal opposition, and vice versa. 😒

His video's thumbnail is literally him throwing the petition into a dumpster. If we were not meant to see him as 100% in opposition, that's kind of on him TBH. He certainly communicates that way.

Of you’re going to legislate immortality on games, then you’re going to need to make your argument for it clear and robust, who has responsibility for what, how deprecating technology is handled, and so on.

Missing the point, as it's not a piece of legislation, it's a petition. Nobody expects it to be turned directly into law, but for the successful petition to start a process between various interest groups ultimately resulting in a law that's a compromise. Of course, if you tell people not to sign the petition, that process will never start in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The Stop Killing games campaign is an EU petition to prevent game developers from making games that people bought unplayable, for example by turning off the servers of always-online games.

Pirate Software is a youtuber and game developer who made several videos criticizing the campaign. He thinks it's unreasonable to expect game developers to do this and also asserts that people who purchase games don't own them. His videos supposedly had a measurable negative impact on the petition, which at this point looks like it might fail. Combined with the fact that he often acted quite rude and arrogant towards supporters of the campaign, he is now quite unpopular among them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

and also asserts that people who purchase games don't own them

Isn't that a large part of what the petition is aiming for though?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (9 children)

To be more clear, PirateSoftware thinks the status quo of only owning a license for a game, which can be revoked at any time, is a good thing that should be kept.

Stop Killing Games would give consumers more rights, which would bring the purchase of a digital game license closer to actual ownership.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

The idea from pirate software is that they shouldn't and that's the better scenario.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dunno who you're referring to but the Stop Killing Games petition was started when Ubisoft announced that gamers would no longer be able to play The Crew, despite having bought it.

It's not new that online functionality is turned off after the player base dies down, but to be completely unable to play a game that can be played offline is crazy.

So now there's a petition circulating, but it's nearing its end. There are only a couple of days left I think.

It's a petition for the EU (or maybe Europe or the EER, I'm not sure), and every country needs a certain amount of signatures. I think some Mediterranean island nations are still lagging, but most countries have plenty now.

If you're in Europe, find the petition and sign it. Especially if you live in Malta or Cyprus.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Especially if you live in Malta or Cyprus.

That doesn't matter at this point. The country threshold has been reached. Now it "only" needs to reach 1 million total signatures before the end of july, currently sitting at around 600k.

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