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Planet is headed for at least 2.5C of heating with disastrous results for humanity, poll of hundreds of scientists finds

Hundreds of the world’s leading climate scientists expect global temperatures to rise to at least 2.5C (4.5F) this century, blasting past internationally agreed targets and causing catastrophic consequences for humanity and the planet, an exclusive Guardian survey has revealed.

Almost 80% of the respondents, all from the authoritative Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), foresee at least 2.5C of global heating above preindustrial levels, while almost half anticipate at least 3C (5.4F). Only 6% thought the internationally agreed 1.5C (2.7F) limit will be met.

Many of the scientists envisage a “semi-dystopian” future, with famines, conflicts and mass migration, driven by heatwaves, wildfires, floods and storms of an intensity and frequency far beyond those that have already struck.

Numerous experts said they had been left feeling hopeless, infuriated and scared by the failure of governments to act despite the clear scientific evidence provided.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sweet! If this is at all obvious to anyone paying attention and I’ve been saying I expect it to happen for years, I’m putting “One of the worlds top scientists” on my resume.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I'm getting big "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas." vibes here

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

famines, conflicts and mass migration

This will happen for sure and the cause is not just climate change. The cause is overpopulation and exhaustion of the Earth resources.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

overpopulation is not measured by how many people you can pack into a telephone booth. Overpopulation in measured by how many people the Earth resources can support.

We began to consume more resources than what the Earth can provide decades ago, when the population was less than six billion people. Not just fossil fuels, we are consuming fresh water, arable land and forests in a non sustainable manner. The wild fish population in the sea reached an all time low and we are still overfishing. Fish farming accounts just for a small fraction of our consumption.

The alarms by the World watch and other institutes began in the '70s. Nonetheless the world population kept increasing and it is still increasing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

which is why we're just gonna retreat into pockets of radicalism where we all kill each other. max profit til then.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Hundreds of the world’s leading climate scientists expect global temperatures to rise to at least 2.5C (4.5F)

I'm not saying that everyone bothers in comments, but I'd have thought that as a major news publication, The Guardian would bother to use the degree symbol:

Hundreds of the world’s leading climate scientists expect global temperatures to rise to at least 2.5°C (4.5°F)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

What's the purpose of using any particular symbol and, in this context, does the addition of the degree symbol achieve that purpose?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (5 children)

The only chance we have that I see is the rapid development of fusion into a proper, usable power source, the supplantation of effectively all carbon emitting power plants with non-emitting plants (fusion or otherwise), the effectively complete electrification of the global commercial transport system, and a massive scaling of production direct carbon capture, leveraging the various aforementioned non-carbon emitting electricity sources to make it happen.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

I'm getting a bit more optimistic when I read about companies like Terraform Industries and Prometheus Fuels. If they really can make efuels cheaper than fossil fuels, things can change really fast for the better.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The only chance we have that I see is the rapid development of fusion into a proper, usable power source,

Fusion is a marketing story to distract the attention. It is so difficult to realize a practical commercial fusion technology that it will not be available this century for sure.

In any case as I explained in the other comment the root cause is overpopulation. Solving the energy problems might mitigate for a while the situation, but it will not solve the situation. Famines, conflicts and mass migration will happen anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Or, alternatively, having enough energy for everyone would mean no more population problem. Many thousands of people smarter than you and I believe that fusion power is feasible, and in our lifetime, and have dedicated their entire professional lives to that goal.
It's an insult to them to have wave it away like this.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yep.

Our experts estimate that the various societies on Earth have a 96% chance of solving the Great Filter using humanity's great superpower of technological innovation, but paradoxically only a 3 to 7.5% chance of successfully implementing the necessary societal and political changes before complete extinction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

To be fair there are more options. Like reduce over consumption, restore forested lands, voting the right people in the office. Prosecute abusers, big companies/ personalities who contribute to this issue.

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