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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Great, separating kids is soo 1950's.

In Europe we've had this for decades without any issue.

And apparently this scouting group does a lot more real scouting stuff, unlike the girl scouts which is basically child labour.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No issues?

You guys must be doing it way better over there. Over the course of many years, 12,000 children have been sexually abused in some way while in the boy scouts of America program.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Fox News meltdown in 3... 2...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So is there a point to the Girl Scouts now? What are they going to do? Start accepting boys? Or try to widen their activities to compete with the Boy Scouts so they don't lose membership?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So is there a point to the Girl Scouts now?

You're far less likely to be sexually assaulted.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Unless it's by a bear.

Wait... I think I'm in the wrong thread.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

That we know of...

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Girl Scouts USA has always been a completely separate organization with no affiliation to Boy Scouts of America

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Correct, but girls was their mark of differentiation. Without one, what will they do with this other organization going on their turf? Will they react? Adjust? That's what I'm saying.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

In the UK, The Scout Association went fully co-ed in 2007 and Girl Guiding remains a girls-only organisation. Both are doing just fine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I appreciate the clarification, but I was curious how they avoid redundancy. Luckily, for anyone else who is curious, @[email protected] put a summary of their distinctions in a comment below.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Thanks. I don't know a great deal about Girl Guiding's programme in the UK, but I understand that there's a similar distinction between it and the Scout Association's programme as there is in the US.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yes, and the question is how will this separate organisation react to them muscling in on their turf.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Well they already tried suing them when they began accepting girls and changed their name the first time to Scouts BSA, but that didn't work. But truthfully the two organizations have different missions and methods.

Historically, a lot of girls who joined GSUSA thinking it was going to be Boy Scouts for girls were disappointed and would leave. GSUSA is more about empowering girls through community engagement and exploring careers. Yes there can also be camping, hiking, etc but these are more or less optional components, up to each troop to integrate. Rank advancement is based on age and grade level, while awards are based on merit.

Boy Scouts is much more focused on outdoor skills and citizenship. These are integrated into the program in that advancement in rank is based solely on merit and demonstrating proficiency with these skills. You can spend six years in Boy Scouts and never make it past Tenderfoot.

So for girls who want more emphasis on the outdoors built into their program, Scouting America would be the better option. For those that want more flexibility and are less outdoorsy, GSUSA is still an option. Both are good programs. I have kids in both. There are some things I like better about GSUSA and some I like more in Boy Scouts. I think Boy Scouts is a more challenging program overall, but GSUSA's Gold Award is way more challenging to achieve than an Eagle project. I definitely prefer GSUSA not having a religious requirement.

Both programs will continue to adapt and change. Both have been experiencing declines in membership for decades anyway, so there's bigger problems that they're facing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the great summary! It answered my questions as well. I hope you don't mind but I liked your comment so much that I put it on [email protected]

Which I think I'll also subscribe to lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Thanks! I think that's my first Lemmy Best Of!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Interesting. Have GSUSA tried to mitigate the membership decline?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

...yeah, i was wondering if that meant they're equal-opportunity molesters* now...

*(both of my scout troops were shut down due to sexual abuse scandals; after it happened the second time, i was done with scouting)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

that's awful. yes, unfortunately it's a big problem. there were/are a bunch of lawsuits re

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

Anyone has the right to be a Pawnee Godess

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's good, my niece is in Boy Scouts and enjoys it. The Girl Scout troops are all cookies all the time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

I'm an eagle scout from the days before they started accepting girls, I remember always hearing about how much cooler the BSA program was than girl scouts

Part of the problem is with how things are structured. BSA troops tend to stick around for a a while (the troop I was part of well over a decade ago is still going strong and just a couple years off from its 100 year anniversary,) so you end up with a lot of accumulated knowledge and resources over the years, people stick around after they age out of the program to stay on as leaders, they bring their own kids into the program years later, we had some 2nd or 3rd generation eagle scouts who had all earned it from the same troop their fathers and grandfathers did, we had a garage full of troop gear, a pretty decent troop library fell of merit badge books, old handbooks, various first aid and camping manuals, etc. some troops have their own cabins or campsites or other such properties, and the organization makes it very easy for new scouts to find an existing troop, pack, crew, ship, etc. to join.

Girl scouts often don't have that. Sometimes they do, and when they do they can actually do a pretty amazing program, I've heard of some girl scout troops who've done some pretty cool stuff that honestly puts my own troop to shame, but more often they kind of tend to get formed with a group of girls around the same age and their mothers, never really do much recruitment, and when the girls either age out or lose interest and drop out the troop just kind of folds. They have to put a lot into the cookie sales and fundraising because they're usually starting with no troop gear or other resources, there's not much generational knowledge about how to run a scouting program, so they tend to just kind of have to figure things out on the fly. And a key part of the boy scout program was "boys teaching boys" the older kids in the troop take on leadership roles and help run the program teaching the younger kids, if you're starting with a group all about the same age, you lose out on a lot of that dynamic.

Also as far as recruitment goes, at least back when I was in scouts, even if you waned to join an existing girl scout troop, it could actually be pretty hard to find them. BSA had their BeAScout website, you could find all the local groups, meeting schedules, and contact info pretty easily, girl scouts, at least at the time, didn't have anything like that. I remember there was one time my troop wanted to reach out to some of the local girl scout troops to see if they wanted to participate in some kind of event we were having, and they had a hell of a time finding any contact info for them.

Also, some of the girl scout leader training requirements seemed a little excessive, maybe the situation has changed, but I remember hearing that they had to have leaders with specific training for pretty much any little part of their planned activity, like there was a specific training to go on camping trips, a separate training if you wanted to have a campfire on the camping trip, etc. and a lot of them were paid courses and I don't think they were cheap. I don't have anything against training in general, I had to do a few when I was a boy scout leader, but some of what I heard from the girl scout side of things sounded pretty excessive to me.

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