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  • Star Wars Disney Plus shows should move away from Jedi-centric stories and explore other aspects of the Star Wars universe
  • Andor is a successful example of a Star Wars show without Jedi, focusing on the Empire's control and morally gray characters
  • Suggestions for new Star Wars show ideas include Pod Racing, Jawa Storage Wars, and One Man and His Droid, among others
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think you can do a bunch with jedi/sith, but you have to use the force for something more interesting than pushing things and jumping pretty high. The extended universe novels had all sorts of cool shit force users could do with it. They should lean in to that kind of stuff.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It helps too when they're not over used. You have to think how genuinely frightening force users must be to the average person. They don't need to go full-on "The Boys" levels of trope subversion, but showing the force as it might appear to your normie citizen might be interesting. I would think most people feel a mixture of awe, fear and mistrust.

We got a little bit of that when CGI Luke showed up at the end of the Mandalorian season to take away Baby Handpuppet. Seeing the mandalorians, who train to fight their whole lives, struggling so hard to get through the ship and deal with the droids, and then a Jedi shows up and just kind of breezes through them. It's that kind of perspective that makes the jedi and sith seem impressive.

It's a similar reason people responded so well to Darth Vader's scene at the end of Rogue One, he just seems genuinely superhuman when seen from that kind of bottom up perspective.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

I completely agree - force users should be few and far between, but if you're going to put a Jedi Master or Sith Lord onscreen they should be goddamn impressive. It would be something you became creative with while mastering, but all we see them do is hop around and shove stuff.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think the Jedi/no Jedi debate isn't useful. I believe the major difference is whether or not the writing is good or not. Andor felt like the best star wars material ever written, a whole different league. Mandalorian season 1 felt like fresh, fun star wars. Season 2 felt messier and more corporate with it's connections to the greater universe. Season 3 felt bad. Ashoka felt bad. Boba fett felt bad.

They feel worse the worse the writing gets, Jedi or not.

I agree that seeing a wider range of stories from different time periods (other than the ones Disney has already fucked up - looking at you FO and the rehash of 4-6) would be great. But that's not what will predict the quality - well paid writers with a vision and a team around them interested in that vision is what we need.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I just want smaller scale stories where the stakes are high not because of some galactic consequence but because we become attached to the characters and their small worlds.

Andor felt tense because the world was small so smaller scale crises seem larger. I felt more when >!Kino said he couldn't swim!< than I did when the Death Star obliterated everyone on Scarif.

The only reason why I want less Jedi in my star wars is because I want them to feel special. Star Wars has a massive Galaxy where Jedi were a rarity even before the purge so give me more of that. Don't blow your load every 10 seconds by shoehorning lightsabers into every story.

Give me a film noir set on Nar Shaddaa or a heist set on Alderaan. I'm tired of the overuse of Jedi like I'm tired of the overuse of Tatooine. That planet is supposed to be a backwater with nothing going on hence Obi Wan choosing to hide there but instead we visit it every other Tuesday because executives think people want sand and brown doors.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

So glad I bailed on Star Wars when they announced 11 new projects all at once.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

There is nothing wrong with Jedi-centric stories ... if the stories would be any good.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

For all the shit that Lucas gets, I have to say that his vision for Star Wars has not been replicated. And when you grow up watching those films, you become hyper-sensitive to anything that doesn't "feel" Star Wars. I honestly believe that's why the Sequel trilogy wasn't received well, and why the TV shows fall flat for the most part.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago

Rogue one felt like Star Wars to me. The other did not.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Andor was written as a heist thriller that happens to occur in the Star Wars universe, that's why it's good. Same as Rogue One.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Andor had one heist arc, amid a broader story about radicalization and the creep of authoritarian power. It's a damned ambitious show. I'm so glad it exists.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago (3 children)

They should leave the Skywalker saga. There’s thousands of years & a whole galaxy to fill with stories, and they keep dancing in the same 100 years & the same planets.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

There's the High Republic initiative. The Acolyte is part of that.

I haven't paid much attention to the High Republic stories, but the response seems to be mixed at best.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Or...and hear me out...come out with a newer, shittier trilogy every 20 years

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Only if we ruin the characters from the previous trilogy with every new one we make.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Man if I see Saw Garrera appear in some obscure corner of the galaxy with a band of proto-rebels again I'm going to be mad, Cad Bane too, fun for a bit but how do we keep running into the same characters in a whole galaxy? I'm sure there were more but I always noticed how they kept appearing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Well that's because they keep killing off all the compelling characters they could follow.

I'm not still bitter about Rogue One at all...

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