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This tiny maneuver is going to cost us a day's worth of productivity (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

The actual answer is to set your wake up time, and go to bed when you're sleepy, whenever that is.

Just get up at the same time each day (no snooze alarm, get out of bed, else you might be less sleepy at the end of the day) and you're half-way there.

Figuring out how long you actually need to sleep is a process involving changing how long you try to sleep for. (So if you set your wakeup time at 7AM, maybe try 11PM) Taking note of how long it takes to get to sleep and if you wake up during the night. (Not sleepy, taking too long at 11PM, then go to bed at 11:30PM for multiple nights and see if you're sleeping through more. Sleeping quickly and through the night, but still feeling tired after many nights on average, maybe try a bit more sleep instead)

Never try to go to bed early when you're not sleepy, it won't work.

Also accept that your sleep quality is going to vary from night to night, that's life.

As recommended by a sleep psychologist (not me).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Or option 3, don't sleep for a day, then instead of going to bed when you planned you zone out for 6 hours

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yep, this is me. Hold out till around 3 or 4, when that afternoon post-lunch nap wave hits. Out cold in a microsecond.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

That seems like it could be the play for me too... I'm going to try using the afternoon crash next time instead of reaching for coffee

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"Sleeping early" ha, no such thing. Just setting yourself up to stare at the ceiling.

We're supposed to force ourselves to get up still dead tired instead even if we didn't get much and "eventually" says the doctor, "you will get tired enough to sleep on time". LIES. ALL LIES.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yep, that's what I was told every time I brought up my sleep issues. Yeah, it's been a few decades and surprise it's never worked. Overtired me tends to be awake for longer. And then when I eventually crash, because it is inevitable, I crash HARD and sleep for 10+ hours completely dead to the world. Thankfully so far I haven't slept through anything super important. I can only go to sleep quickly if I run myself absolutely ragged.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Same. My brain doesn't want to sleep "early" even if I have gone all week on less than 3 hrs each night, and waking early is pure hell. But staying up and then letting my crash hit at a time I know I will then wake when I -want- to is almost trivial if nobody interferes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Yep, like just like everything else, not everything works for everyone. I've been awake for 26+ hours to the point I'm hallucinating and still unable to fall asleep. But apparently I just have to wait till I'm tired enough. As if being awake for 26 hours straight isn't enough? I also can generally make it so I can be awake at the right time if left to my own devices. Which is why I'm really glad I'm out of my parents house, because they would decide "you've been sleeping long enough" and wake me up an hour after I fell asleep.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I read somewhere people with ADHD often have either a delayed circadian rhythm or one thats longer than 24 hours. No amount of pigeonholing life into the usually prevalent circadian rhythms is going to fix that I think.

Startup idea: We slow down the earth's rotation to adhere to these longer cycles.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Or we go to mars, days are slightly longer there.

Never been diagnosed adhd but my body def wants a 26hr day.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

I feel called out

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm doing the right side thing right now. I am the night.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Take care of yourself, and start your nighttime routine atleast 2 hours before you want to sleep

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I do this multiple times a month. I'm going to die early

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I've been on a bender bro. Started sometime around 2021. Would not recommend, the days start to blend together and I've lost track of days countless times. Every once in a while I get 8.5 hours of sleep in the daytime and when I wake up I despair for the many weeks I've spend in a half asleep fugue state.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Yeah you don't feel as bad when you are sleep deprived compared to actually getting out of sleep deprivation. You don't feel THAT different, then you rest and it's amazing how different it is.

But I have no control over myself so what can I do :)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Ok so you're definition of bender might be very different from mine because normally a bender is like, 2 weeks. You need sleep meds bro, they're life changing

I know what you mean about days blending together though. Do you ever get really paranoid? I feel like I'm 6 walking through a dark house again after a 48 hours of not being able to sleep

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've been on nightshift for 5 years and I don't know when I'm supposed to sleep anymore

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Same. Time doesn't mean much anymore, other than 'what time do the stores open' and 'should I do my shopping now before shit closes' lol.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Little do you know that there's a hidden, 3rd option I take every night: just don't fix your sleep schedule

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Or maybe option 4?

Taking a bunch of edibles to make you sleepy at the right time

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

At this point, I'm open to all suggestions.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Going to throw in my edible suggestion because it is the only thing that's ever worked for me personally: Mr. Moxey's mints. They make a high CBD one with valerian root. I try to take them an hour or so before bed. Just CBD or just sleepy tea has never worked for me but the combo seems to do the trick.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Edibles are overpriced and underdosed; instead you should buy pure hash oil from an indica strain (or RSO, or distillate, or whatever concentrate is available in your area) and make your own edibles. It's way cheaper and you get a much stronger and more effective product.

Where I live, the average edible product is $15-20 and contains 100mg total of active THC (I looked up those mints and they also contain 100mg total in the entire package). Or could just buy a hash oil syringe for the same price and get 1000mg. Literally 10x the amount for the same price. So if a pack of mints lasts you a week, imagine having a 2½ month's supply without spending 10x as much. Eventually you'll get used to just directly consuming the oil, saving you even more time and money since you don't actually have to make it into an edible to achieve the desired effects.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

What I should do is what works well for me. I know about and have used oil but I prefer the mints for various reasons. I'm glad you have something that works well for you

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I got CBD oil the other week. Shit's been great so far. Makew going to bed at the right time feel so natural

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I thought about this as well, but don't know anything about CBD, which product or concentration do you use?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Natural Hemp Life 5% and 10% oils. They're hemp oils with CBD in them. Both work fine for me. I might even prefer the 5% one. It makes me feel like going to bed would be nice.

If you have trouble falling asleep I can also recommend GABA-supplements Thorne PhramaGABA-250 has been great for me. Bit more dicey though, perhaps. Somehow relates to the same things alcohol does.

Let me know your experience if you try CBD!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Its currently 7am. I woke up at 10am.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Oof, I feel that. At least it's better than the days it's 9am and I woke up at 7am...the previous day.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

I feel ya

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