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Who wants to talk about why it's 90% black people in city jails and see how well your pitbull argument holds water against rational thinkers with larger scale ethics to consider.
I’d just like to see a sensible discussion that doesn’t involve the falsified statistics presented by the Dogsbite blog and its offshoots.
The so-called academic behind their “statistics” was outed for multiple frauds, the blogs are all set up by shadowy anonymous individuals with opaque funding.
It’s all just so janky, like there’s a big movement intent on muddying the water of actual useful conversation.
Large terriers are undoubtedly a potential problem in the hands of inexperienced or irresponsible owners, but to over simplify the argument to “pitbull dogs bad” is irresponsible.
Any dog over ~15kg can do great harm, and when you take into account the breed traits of terriers, it’s easy to understand the importance of proper debate.
But the crusaders need to be ranked out in favour of proper discussion.
These things need to be absolutely destroyed. There's no good reason to own one.
I agree. Breeding them should have strict criminal penalties.
Let me guess, pitbulls? Racists have been using them as a dogwhistle for awhile now.
My stance is on this is simple. Why don't people just move on when they see a pitbull instead of feeling the need to copy paste statistics about them.
I doubt they would walk up to someone waking their pitbull and read out their copy pastas lol.
I have actually told a pitbull owner the reality of pitbull statistics to their face, but I also made sure to explain that statistics and individuals are not the same thing. They failed to understand the distinction and made me go outside and meet their dog, whom they had brought to the bar. It was a very nice doggy and I also told the very nice doggy that it was statistically part of a very problematic breed. But like, really all those statics mean is that pits are a breed that require a good owner. No one would suggest someone in NYC get a border collie, whereas pretty much anyone can handle a King Charles spaniel.
People started arguing about it here
Indeed. Apparently lemmings have strong feelings on this topic. I myself do not feel informed enough to have a strong opinion.
Hey, don’t let a simple lack of knowledge get in the way of having an opinion - this is the internet.
I'm a strong proponent that it's the owner, not the dog that is ultimately the reason pitty's get a bad rap. I've rarely come across a pit bull that isn't a big lovable goofball that just wants belly rubs and to play tug. But the one's that haven't been seem to have irresponsible owners that either don't know, or don't care about how to properly train their dog.
That said, it's hard not to look at the data and agree that a breed ban would be best.
Don't people say the same thing about guns?
Wanna go around deciding who should have them and who shouldn't? We can't keep criminals out of public office or innocent people out of prison. YOU figure out how to judge people where everyone else has failed. Until then, let everyone keep their claws.
They're dogs, not people.
Guns. Pay attention.
You can't train a gun.
But guns aren't naturally predisposed to attack people either
But you can train a gun on a target! Checkmate Santa Clause and the Easter bunny!
See i don't know. There was a lady in the news a couple years ago walking her dog and then her dog attacked her. Was she a bad owner, was the dog not trained or did the dog just snap for 30 seconds and kill her.
System attacks on owners are almost always by aging pitbulls. They probably start developing some kind of dimensia.
In 2009, the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia released a five-year review of dog-bite injuries. The review states that 51 percent of attacks were made by pit bulls.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19644273/
In 2009, another study was published by the American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology. The study ran for 15 years and it has concluded that pit bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are among the most common breeds that cause fatal dog attacks in Kentucky State.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19696575/
In 2011, the Annals of Surgery published a study, which concluded that Pitbull attacks lead to more expensive hospital bills, higher risk of death, and higher morbidity rates compared to other breeds of dogs.
Or maybe it's just the type of people who are drawn to this violent record are being terrible dog owners.
I love dogs, work with them and know a dogs behaviour like the back of my hand.
Pitbulls are bad but so are most of the bull breeds. The problem is all dog attacks come from working dogs and 95% of the time, people who have no fucking idea about dogs personify them and are completely naive about their capabilities are the problem.
But yeah, they probably need to be banned.
The first linked thread was just one user getting pissy in the comments.
The second thread was flamebait, plain and simple. Has no business being in Lemmy Be Wholesome. On Shitpost I could give it a pass, maybe.
It's already too late, but I would suggest in this case not using this thread as an extension to continue back and forth the argument highlighted in this drama.
Good suggestion
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