God yes please. The more I hear about that shithole the more I see just how much they don't deserve exist. They out-racist America in a lot of cases.
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Of course Europe should stop relying on U.S military especially when it's in danger of once again falling under the control of Putin's favourite useful orange idiot.
I love how blueAnon keep peddling their discredited Russiagate conspiracy theory.
Conspiracy theory now? So the Ukranians are fighting imaginary invaders?
The regime the west installed in Ukraine is literally grabbing people off the streets to fight in this proxy war https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html
I grow tired of paying for the bulk of European security. Get your own damn army.
I mean that they need a unified European Army. Two powerhouses will be better than 1.
It's not going to be something useful like a power house though. It'll be a bunch of dudes simulating how to blow up poor third-world peasants in the most expensive way possible. In case the market demands that particular skillset. And who is going to command this lot? Von der Leyen? I'd rather not give an army to the aristocratic horse lady (again). She probably always wanted to order a cavalry charge against some peasants, so let's not give her the chance.
She probably always wanted to order a cavalry charge against some peasants
Goedendag to her then i guess
A European Army would be an interesting outcome, america would save a lot when it lost it’s bases there and became a regional power. Sure, the US would lose any say in a lot of matters that concern it, but they would learn, like the UK, to complain loudly and be ignored.
...but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make
Promise?
The US will consume Europe to fight Russia and China.
Macron week ago: SEND TROOPS TO UKRAINE
Macron now: maybe better distance ourselves from the USA
Is anyone even taking this guy seriously? I mean i kind of understand he will say anything at all that have a slight chance of lessening the internal contradictions in France, but please tell me not even liberals have memory this short?
Its the same eu army back and forth that has been going on since november 2012 i think, its just a talking point to further that goal.
To be fair, maybe he actually thought that US would back his idiotic plan, and when was told to go pound sand that's where he flipped to US is unreliable narrative.
No he's just inconsistent, trying to appease different audiences.
yeah that's the most likely scenario
he flipped to US is unreliable narrative.
Here he is saying it five months ago: https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-china-america-pressure-interview/
In March 2022: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/macron-distances-himself-from-us-biden-calling-putin-a-butcher/2547489
In Sept 2020: https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-europe-dependency-us-arms/
Fair enough, it's not the first time he's made noises like this, but US not backing his hare brained scheme is likely the reason behind the latest outburst.
It's not an "outburst", it's his consistent line. He's staking his career on this "autonomous Europe" bet
There's a big difference between rhetoric and policy. The policy Macron is pursuing is ensuring the opposite of independent Europe.
Except the effect of his "autonomous Europe" policy is Europe being more and more dependent and more and more sabotaged by USA. Sure, Germany have more to say about it and they are gargling on US boot totally lately, but France influence is almost as big.
I guess they had a decent shot at it in the last two decades, but they blew it completely, and considering what Hollande and Merkel did with Minsk agreements, maybe they were never really intended to do it anyway.
Oh look if it isn't consequences of my actions - western Europe.
I'm sorta respecting Macron's drive to make Europe plough it's own furrow away from the USA.
On the other hand, I don't trust Macron and his ilk to lead Europe. I trust them barely more than I trust the USA. I don't like Macron's approach to Ukraine or his domestic policies. At least he is cool about Taiwan tho.
Isn't France buying an ungodly amount of Russian gas?
Good