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When I die, turn me into soup (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Can’t live without some delicious red meat, no if ands or buts. I will(and have) hunt it down myself if I have to.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Watch Dominion.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko

What he said

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[+] [email protected] -26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

There's a difference between eating meat and condoning animal abuse. For most vegetarians this is impossible to comprehend it seems. But they will happily drive cars on liquefied dinosaurs, use plastics and buy phones which were made by exploiting children and poor people. While at the same time claiming fish is not meat.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

There's a lot to unpack here...

I don't see how you can not see the correlation of keeping animals trapped and in shitty situations to inevitably kill them when they're literally still children as not being animal abuse.

Liquified dinosaurs :')

In seriousness, veganism is about making the best changes you can. Nobody is perfect but you try to do the least damage you can do. Plus it's a spectrum, there of course will be some vegans that don't care/know much about how certain commodities are built on the suffering of others. Plus some "vegans" are just plant based and are just in it for personal health so they wouldn't care about the ethics in it all and the hypocrisy you talk about.

Also extra note. Don't look at them focusing on the suffering of animals meaning they don't care for human suffering. They do. When those at the bottom get brought up it will bring the others above them higher too. It's a two birds one stone kind of situation (pardon the hypocritical pun ;p)

I've never ever heard of a vegan say fish isn't meat. If a vegan is eating fish, they're not vegan (same goes for honey, but that's a different topic). They're a pescatarian that eats a lot of plant based foods.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Also vegans don’t eat fish or any animal products.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Yup. Made a mistake.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You cannot pay for an animal to be murdered and In the same breath say you against animal abuse.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Exactly. People who believe this are believing a fairy tale.

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[+] [email protected] -20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Of course I can, because I know to use a dictionary. Abuse is not the same as murder. You can call me animal murderer, I'd give you that. But not abuser. I don't beat or molest animals. I don't maltreat them or starve them to death. They are kept safer than in wild, away from predators and have a life of luxury with constantly abundant food and no fear, until they fulfill a purpose that is meant for them. If anything am sheltering them far better than nature is.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately that is simply not true. If you had to take a guess, how long does a chicken live that is born into the animal agriculture industry and what does its life look like? Go watch Dominion ( https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko ) and learn what modern animal agriculture looks like because I promise you it is not a life free of abuse where they are safer than they would be in the wild with plenty of food to eat. If you are paying for animal products then you are not only paying for the animal to be murdered but are also paying for the abuse that it suffered for its entire short life before that point.

Also I'd definitely argue that murder is a form of abuse. Defined as: "treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly." If you wanted to discuss semantics it would be more accurate to say that it is impossible to murder an animal since the most common definition would probably be "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another". There is a second more loose definition though that uses the language "kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation". I would argue that an animal IS a "someone" as they are an individual with their own unique perception of the world. As such I do believe that it is possible to murder an animal. That being said, it is completely irrelevant to the morality of what is happening whether we call it murder or abuse or we come up with all new words to describe what's happening. No matter what you call it, we are creating unfathomable amounts of completely unnecessary suffering by forcefully breeding (aka raping) animals and forcing them to live unimaginably awful lives which are ended very very prematurely because money and yummy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

it's definitely abuse, as you are harming something for your own pleasure.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No, there isn't. But people don't want to be confronted with this fact.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Become vegetarian

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As Mike says, no half measures ;)

But in seriousness, going some/most of the way there is better than not at all. And most people transition over time rather over night too anyway. Every small step helps when it comes to the environment, personal health and ethics in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Mike has clearly never had some rasmalai.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (11 children)

And then become vegan.

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Vegans can be annoying, but at the end of the day they're right about a lot of things. It's just that the ethics of consuming meat and animal products can be a delicate conversation, and requires a pretty big change in how one views not only themselves but life as a whole. A lot of online vegans like to approach it the with tact of a sledgehammer.

Trust me, irl vegans are usually way more chill in my experience.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

it's tiring to have to use tact around people in order to placate their sensibilities.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Online vegan here. Just wanted to add that after a couple of years of the same jokes and arguments and demeaning comments that were forced upon you because you had to explain why you don't want to eat what everyone else around you eats, you kinda lose your tact a bit.

Never went to somebody with a burger in hand and called him a murderer. Been called an emasculated pussy and wittle little rabbit for eating a salad so many times. Same people then complain about annoying vegans. It's a bit infuriating.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago

The dissonance is real

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Be careful OP. There are angry meateaters among us using Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

among us

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I would hope that most people who have seen much of anything about industrial ranching would have a hard time not showing a bit of empathy.

Some descriptions of hell aren't as upsetting as seeing how those animals are kept and handled.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 6 months ago

They’re gonna lash out again.

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