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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I was using Kagi, but I'm not sure I can justify $10/month for search results that weren't that great. DuckDuckGo is basically Bing. I do love Qwant because their results felt really good to me, but they won't let me use it without an ad blocker.

What's an alternative that gets actually good results?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

4get.ca is pretty decent

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Many Google users are reporting that their results are not as good as they used to be.

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It won't fix your problem obviously, but here we are on the front page of the search results for every fucking Windows problem regardless.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Works great for old stuff, now how do I look up stuff on the bridge collapse near me last week?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

go to the actual site, it's near you.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Oh good I am sure I can find out the eta of when the bypass will be built from the broken bridge.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You can't do shit about it either way ...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I can save driving an extra 120kms if I know the status of the bridge....

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

ask the workers working there. easy peasy *thumbs up

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I started switching everything to duckduckgo. So far it's been a much better experience.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I set DDG as my default a while back and I'm finding myself having to open Google all the time to get results.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I committed to using ddg for a couple years, finally quitting about a year back, and I have to agree. I found myself using bangs for nearly every search. Google is absolutely getting worse and fast, but I'm not sure there was ever a point where ddg had better results than Google. After all it's just reheated bing.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

DDG gets their results from Bing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Yes. That's why I said it

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago

Google's slow demise is entirely expected late-stage enshittification.

What is frustrating is that search is mostly a solved problem. Crawling and indexing are solved problems. Fighting adversarial SEO is a continuous task, that Google Search is essentially refusing to perform but is clearly cheap enough for an upstart like Kagi to do reasonably well (their only added-value is the aggregation and filtering of other indexers such as google and mojeek, and let's be honest it's probably 99% google's index powering Kagi).

This shows that the lack of meaningful competition in the space is actually merely a matter of capital. There are too many webpages to scrape, process, and save and nothing short of "indexing almost as much stuff as google" is going to cut it.

In the software world we're used to seeing FOSS alternatives to most things, because software's capital costs are typically almost equal to manpower costs. However for search this doesn't work, just like it historically hasn't worked too well for some really expensive software (such as audiovisual creation tools, with the notable exceptions of Blender and to a lesser extent Krita).

There should be a well-funded non-profit building and providing a high-quality, exhaustive, transparent and open-source indexing service for the world. It definitely sounds possible, and even rather easy in the grand scheme of things. Yet current economic incentives do not favor such models. However I do wonder if there are not options to be explored, such as distributed crawlers or even a distributed index (after looking it up, YaCy seems to be doing just that though at a glance it seems, uh, old and clunky). Or maybe the EU should finally put a real focus on meaningfully funding indigenous FOSS R&D so the enshittification process of American tech giants doesn't crush us as well.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

An alternative that actually uses its own web crawlers https://mojeek.com

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Okay, beat your chest, tell me about what you got.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

8bn pages crawled and indexed in house by us, but if you want something a bit more fleshed-out: https://www.mojeek.com/about/why-mojeek

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You could also just avoid Google. They haven’t been reliable for two decades.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

For what? DDG results are just as bad, if not worse.

Ironically I find myself using Bing more often than not, for it's Copilot AI. It has a tendency to just repeat the same incorrect information when it can't find what you want, but it's still better than anything I get from a search engine, that is, not without adding site:reddit.com to my queries, and for obvious reasons, I don't want to have to keep doing that.

Please share your secret. What magical unknown search engine are you using that is immune to AI-generated nonsense?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I use DDG and keep adding words until I get what I want. Especially quoted words.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

DuckDuckGo primarily uses Bing results, mixed with a few other smaller sources. Kagi (paid) uses AI, but in a way that benefits the user, not the advertiser. They were an early adopter of AI.

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