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[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

But I was told behavior like this in China would get several generations of your family sent to re-education camps?

Are you telling me I've been consuming propaganda??

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can you point me to where you were told something like this?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How do I point to my entire public education since the late 90s?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well, it was probably on some text book then that you could cite.

But, clearly, the answer to my question is "no I can't." I suspect that this is probably because, at best, it's a terrible exaggeration of something you were told.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah dude, let me take some time out of my day to track down the history text books I used in high school so I can cite to you some anti-China propaganda. You're funny.

Edit: Oh hey look. I literally just googled, "US education anti-china" and here's a pretty informative article:

https://thehill.com/opinion/education/4472696-the-anti-china-academic-panic-is-hurting-america/

I'm sure that's the extent of it though, right?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That article doesn't, at all, support your point. It's about academics being harassed for being Chinese, not about our education system teaching kids that Chinese people are sent to reeducation camps for petty things.

Heaping dishonesty on top of your empty claims just makes your position look even weaker, and casts a shadow on your credibility and objectivity.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's the chilling effect from years of anti-China propaganda, even amongst scientists. The fact that you're incapable of putting 2 and 2 together there speaks volumes. Or maybe you just don't want to.

I'm not a scholar on anti-China propaganda in the US (I just live/lived through it), but I am certain that if you actually gave a shit about this, you would do a modicum of research yourself. I'm not making some kind of fringe claim here dude.

Should I just call it "anti-communist" propaganda? Would you understand then? Or are you gonna pretend that's not real too?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lol I asked for your "2" and you were unable to provide it.

You're projecting your ignoring of the facts to maintain your conclusion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

What a strange thing to do... Either a) you speak like an expert about something you clearly aren't familiar with (and likely didn't even live through personally), or b) you know exactly what you're talking about, yet you're doing some bizarre attempt to gaslight people into believing anti-communist, anti-China propaganda in the US. isn't something that has existed pretty much in the open since at least the Korean War. I guess the Red Scare didn't exist. I guess China had no involvement in the Korean or Vietnam wars. I guess China wasn't a massive factor throughout the entirety of the Cold War...

Both are weird, and unfortunately it seems more like the latter to me.

I guess good luck convincing other people?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've never denied that there is anti China propaganda in the us. I challenged your bs claim that you were taught in school that people are sent to reeducation camps for petty things.

You just desperately need to reframe the debate because even you realize it's bs, but your ego is too fragile to admit that you were wrong or just exaggerating.

Although, it might predate me, if we are talking about pre-80s. But I assure you, the nonsense you claim was not part of my education post that time. It was more "China got much stronger once it adopted more capitalism. Isn't capitalism just fantastic!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If this is your reaction any time a person makes a hyperbolic statement for emphasis on fucking lemmy, then you may need to re-evaluate your priorities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

All I did was ask you to show me where it happened. If you had immediately just said it was an exaggeration, that likely would have ended it. But instead you tried to argue that it did happen, but you couldn't show it.

But, sure, it's me who acted unreasonably and now needs to reevaluate my priorities. Lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not the one sealioning about easily provable things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I asked a single question, one you answered by implying you can't prove it...and now I'm sealioning about something easily proven. I literally loled.

"You're a troll" is so often the harbor of a failing argument.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

they're dressing in comfortable clothes, not starting a union. shill elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ah yes, the classic "anti-propaganda shill"

What a horrible thought, speaking out against propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Democracy in the workplace. We deserve better.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)

For those who don't know, it's not quite new (except for the word that describes it, Ban Wei 班味). Because of the long working time, a lot of Chinese companies (especially in the tech sector) allow very casual dressing, plushies, even folding beds in the office. Sounds good but is actually horrifying.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

At least read the article before commenting. They're dressing this way on purpose against the wishes of their employers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I'm not saying that this isn't a protest, but merely providing the context for the protest. They took the relaxed dress code to an extreme and deliberately interpreted it as "anything you like". It's more of a malicious compliance protest. That's why they were scolded by the leader, instead of being fired.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Another woman said the best part of wearing her fluffy sweater to work is that she can head straight to bed once she gets home.

"It's so convenient for both work and home. I have essentially reached a state where the office and my home have become one," she said.

It is not protest for the sake of protest, but mostly "convenience".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You have completely flipped the context of the quote. It's not just comfort for comforts sake, it's also a way of protesting the 996 work culture of China.

The article is definitely stating that this is a protest, your quote is about a fringe benefit.

Social media users have joked that if you wear your favorite outfit to work, it'll be contaminated by the "Ban Wei" as the office vibe creeps into your personal life.

The remaining option: wear your gross clothes to the office.

Candise Lin who creates content on TikTok exploring cultural trends in China, broke down this viral trend in a recent video.

She used an example of one blogger who said that they only wears clothes with holes in them to work to reflect their "crappy job and shabby pay."

Clearly stated like 2 paragraphs after your quote.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is definitely protest. But they choose these outfit to protest because they are comfortable, as oppose to vampires costume, which would also violate the dress code.

This is related to what OP is saying. These outfit already exists because of toxic work culture, they are taking it to the extreme.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Pick a position and stick with it for more than a single comment:

It is not protest for the sake of protest, but mostly "convenience".

It is a protest using existing social expectations of dress code, it's not just about comfort.

"Protest for the sake of protest" is nonsense. By definition they're doing it for the sake of something. That something is not convenience, it's the 996 work culture like the subject of the article.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Another woman said the best part of wearing her fluffy sweater to work is that she can head straight to bed once she gets home.

I'm not following this part.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

It's a one-piece pajama in the video. She has a coat over it during the work.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I never wear outside clothes to my bed. Sheets rotate weekly and 2-3 times a week in summer, only get in bed after shower and dry, only clean clothes. Also I have lots of air filtration with random oscillating fans.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I don't wear...clothes.

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