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[–] [email protected] 81 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (17 children)

This is what happens when they know you won't leave.

"But muh games...and Linux is too difficult and weird"

I say to those: well then you've made your choice, didn't you? It's going to keep happening, like it's been since the 90s.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why is the target of your comment towards people that use Windows?

I am not sure why People on Lemmy feel like if they point something out to people who can't see the comment is going to get them to change their mind.

I have and use both Linux and Windows. I prefer both for different reasons.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I know I'm talking into the void. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I'm too tired of trying to do that. Just trying to get people to realize they made the choices they have to live with.

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 10 months ago (25 children)

Every generation has this moment, where they learn to hate Microsoft (or Micro$oft). Then, 4% install Linux, 6% buy a Mac with half the RAM for twice the price; and everyone else to keeps complaining.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (3 children)

With me it was when they killed off my favorite browser. I'm now using the reanimated bushy red corpse of it.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Ads have evolved into a cancer that is just growing and growing, making everything around them worse.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

The best part is when spammers and ad generators realized how easy it is to use GPT to automate and increased the number of spam bots and ads.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ads have always been a cancer.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Not exactly. When the webmaster you knew put a banner in the corner of their site with ads from one and the same source, in one and the same place, not popping up and not bothering you, it really felt fine. I even felt the urge to click that and see where it leads.

Remember also Opera free version with that ad banner.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Jesus Fucking Christ. They really want people to switch to Linux, don't they?

Microsoft should stop trying to become another Apple. This is not going to work.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

as soon as they require a microsoft account to use versions of windows, they are apple... minus the mobile, but plus a metric shittone of things apple doesnt.

not that any of that is good, microsoft should die in a fire.. but theyve spent 20 years building an OS-as-a-service platform and its coming to fruition. they might be slow, but rest assured they will get their captured, vertically integrated audience.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago

All that AI can't pay for itself, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What I love the most about Windows is just how easy it is to find all the user settings I need to change. And I super appreciate how they configure things that work so perfect for me. It's like I never need to make decisions of my own, they can read my mind. /S

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

theyre turning the deskop into a mobile platform which is inherently difficult to mod. this is so they can provide it as a service to any device.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Wait, so this is not about the power menu, it's about the pop up when clicking on your account picture bubble if you're signed in to a MS account. They aren't adding a step to logging out of your local Windows user, just to logging out of your Microsoft account if you're using that as a login for Windows, OneDrive and Office365.

The "Lock" button also has a new home—it now sits in the power menu alongside "Shut down," "Restart," and "Sleep" options.

THAT is where the Lock button was? Not gonna lie, I've been Windows-L-ing so long I didn't even know they had moved that to the account bubble.

I'll be honest, the article is a bit overdramatic. Yeah, they are surfacing your services there to upsell you on the ones you don't have, but it's actually not a useless piece of info (currently finding your subscriptions is an ordeal) and none of the functionality is gone. It is true that a lot of UX things around Win11 have gotten worse, though. I'm currently using additional software to replace the taskbar (which will do the Start menu, too, if you want) because the inability to move it to the sides is ridiculous on the OS you're most likely to pair with an ultrawide monitor.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I'll be honest, the article is a bit overdramatic. Yeah, they are surfacing your services there to upsell you on the ones you don't have, but it's actually not a useless piece of info (currently finding your subscriptions is an ordeal) and none of the functionality is gone.

Look up "boiling a frog"

They count on this exact reaction.

Every time they implement these little bullshit changes, people inevitably go "It's annoying but it's not that big a deal." And then they do more of it a few months later.

The article isn't being hyperbolic because it's reacting to the overall trend that this is yet another step forward in. Because the writer and everyone here knows it will get worse and worse over time.

Dark patterns are, by design, slow and incremental so as not to trigger too much pushback at once. People need to start being more aware of it and pushing back on it when they see it.

And yes, that information is probably useful to some people, but that doesn't in any way justify hiding the options that used to be there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

Do you know the term "trust thermocline"?

Basically it described a problem with the boiling the frog technique. There's a point for every user at which they're fed up with the bullshit, lose all trust in you(r company) and are hard to impossible to get back as a customer. Every customer leaving has a little unnoticeable effect on you, but with time there will be so many people that you lost that all your tactics to lock your users in will fail.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago

Another day, another piece of enshittification by MS, another reason to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds, if you can spare a few minutes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

WTF happened to Microsoft? What a fall. Is this a leadership thing?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They were always about screwing over consumers to make money. The only thing that changed is that they've become increasingly unsubtle about it.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Turns out you can make more money by reducing usability and user choice in an entrenched product because hardly anyone will baulk and jump ship to a different product.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

In total, I expect this to cost about a minute or two of my life if they never remove the ads. This figure is fairly typical for daily windows users, of which ~400kk are on win11. Microsoft will steal ~1.5*400,000,000 minutes with these ads. Ads that nearly no one will even consider clicking. 600,000,000 minutes=10,000,000 hours=1140 years. Multiple lifetimes in aggregate, all to be thrown away for nothing. I’d like to send a very strongly worded knot tying tutorial to Satya Nadella and Brad Smith.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Now figure out how much that is in lost revenue and write a headline like „Microsoft to lose economy one million gazzillion $“.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

lost revenue

You can be sure this is retail only.

Enterprise Windows won't have this feature and now appears to have added value for corporate customers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

That why I pay my gold partner friend for a copy of enterprise he gives to his developers.

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