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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The article is stealth too. Only the first paragraph is detectable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

https://archive.is/4LbGN is right in the description man. Also, Hexbear users can't read posts from World.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Stealth becomes obsolete

Missile defenses get better

BVR combat becomes basically impossible

Everybody always knows where everybody else is

Sixth generation fighters Retvrn to being purpose-built dogfighters/interceptors

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sadly the PLAAF has already made their statement on that... sadness

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is true of current gen air combat, but I'm speculating about a future where dogfighting once again becomes the only way to achieve air superiority.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's like in dune and other things where they have shields against guns so they have to use blades again

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

The pure "Nah bitch WE losin" energy of the shield detonation problem is beautiful to behold

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No. Humans in aircraft are on the way out. Drones are the future. When the drones are significantly cheaper than the missiles used to shoot them down, logistics inevitably wins.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh I never said it would be humans piloting the sixth gen dogfighters. They're gonna be drones designed to withstand sustained 20G turns to be able to get their guns on target, commanded from something like an AWACS.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

They’re gonna be drones designed to withstand sustained 20G turns to be able to get their guns on target

Full Gallente.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

its gonna be factories spending all our resources and polluting the planet further just so robots can fight robots, and the robots who win get to slaughter or enslave the civilians.

ww3 is gonna be the dumbest war so far

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So it's just datalink/sensor fusion? Seems pretty simple if this is all it takes to beat stealth jets.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Well, yeah? always has been

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Xie’s team said it had overcome this long-standing engineering challenge. The researchers said their “smart resource scheduling” method allowed a centralised networking radar system to adjust beam parameters and the power of each radar based on the characteristics and real-time positional changes of stealth aircraft in the theatre.

This allowed the system to focus its limited detection resources on the most exposed azimuth, or angle of arrival, of the stealth fighter, significantly enhancing the intensity and tracking accuracy of its radar signature while ensuring it is continuously locked on to the target.

Pretty cool stuff, it's really the backend and reliability they need to implement.

US aircraft actually already do this where multiple radars from multiple aircraft can be auto coordinated to increase range and resolution, possibly via link 16.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

adjust beam parameters and the power of each radar based on the characteristics and real-time positional changes of stealth aircraft in the theatre.

So uh... That sounds like they have to know where it is in order to detect it on radar.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

All this effort to identify a stealth aircraft first developed in 1996

I don’t know which is more impressive, the tech the US military had 28 years ago, or the amount of engineering time china had spent on spotting a jet that has seen limited use and is being replaced by an even newer stealth jet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The newer jet is more or less shittier than F22

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

It's not as purpose-built, but its replacing a ton of airframes which are decidedly not as stealthy as an F22. Think of all of the F16s, F18s, and AV-8s being replaced by F35s

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

I mean 1996 is still reasonably new 🤷‍♂️ I wouldn't disregard this achievement as easily as you do. Especially since this is just the research that is released to the public. If they can do this it is not without doubt that they have even more capabilities they're not sharing openly.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Sounds like the solution to overcome this is to send two F22s. All their radars will be focusing on the first one it'll be easier for the second to go by undetected.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

More radars for more planes

it's not that complicated

At the end of the day, this is a defensive innovation. While the US has a limited supply of F-22s, China has an essentially infinite supply of radar installations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

They don't have an infinite supply of radar installations.

They are only just able to detect the aircraft at the end of its life.

The US can produce more f35s than china can produce radar installations. This aircraft is still in mass production, with many more being built and sold to many nations. Which likely can't be detected. If they could then that would be in the announcement.

It's a bigger deal to detect the newer and more widely available aircraft that can be launched from aircraft carriers. The F22 is an interceptor, primarily for defense. So it's less likely to be used where multiple hostile radar installations are in range.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The short excerpt suggests this, yes

But spoiler alert: they too will have thought about that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They are just able to detect an aircraft that's near end of life, it's likely they have not been able to counter two aircraft.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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